Accelerationist! — Srap Tasmaner
I would expect courage to tend to manifest differently in men and women. — wonderer1
I think he might seduce a duchess and I am quite sure he would not spoil a virgin — Raymond Chandler
The example everyone agrees on is that women who behave in masculine ways (self-assertive, whatever) are often given a hard time for it. — Srap Tasmaner
American Heritage history of World War II, a story, possibly apocryphal, that German troops were a little unnerved the first time they faced Americans. They had fought the British, and the British, heirs to a grand military tradition the Germans could understand, sang as they entered battle. But these Americans were silent, grim. Americans weren't there for glory, but to do the job and get back home. — Srap Tasmaner
No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.
I withdraw aspersions I cast in the direction of Sherman. — Srap Tasmaner
very bad PR — BC
But I don't actually know what he'll say. — Srap Tasmaner
Turns out you do! — Isaac
What are your thoughts regarding the suggestion that 'pragmatists and feminists are necessary partners'?
— Amity
I don't know much about feminist philosophy beyond what gets out in public, which I'm sure is not representative. What I see on TV and read about is anything but pragmatic. Pragmatists focus on solving problems. I don't see that in public feminism. — T Clark
Pragmatism carries an everyday meaning as being practical, paying attention to the particular context in which you find yourself and not being weighed down by doctrine or ideology.
[...] Pragmatism is not a methodology and pragmatic principles can inform many kinds of research. However the logical stance of a Pragmatic inquiry is to be action oriented – there is close link between pragmatism and action research for example (Hammond, 2015). Pragmatists will see knowledge as fallible. Past research can inform action however researchers cannot claim to offer ‘anywhere, anytime’ answers or incontrovertible ‘best practice’ (for example, Biesta and Burbules, 2003). — what is pragmatism?warwick.ac.uk
If such criticisms are expressed with some wisdom and nuance, obviously I would not consider that man-hating.
However, some people seem to slip into these sorts of discussions and take it as a carte blanche to vent their personal grievances with men on the rest of the world. Suddenly gestures of genuine affection become symbols of male oppression, and fatherhood becomes a means of enacting a power fantasy (as per one of the articles that was linked earlier).
Such ideas are vile, destructive and sexist.
In any other context they would be immediately recognized as such, but here they seem to get a pass just because there might be some merit to the wider discussion. And they shouldn't.
When I see things like this going repeatedly unchallenged, I feel the need to speak up. — Tzeentch
Not sure I buy the point about the elite trying to distract us from the real issues. I mean, of course that's a real thing, in many cases well organized and funded -- but shouldn't you apply the same statistical approach to whether Helen Mirren's mouthing off is necessarily part of such a scheme? — Srap Tasmaner
I hope it's not rude to lump you both into the same answer, but you touch on similar themes. — Isaac
Secondly, there's the whole space-on-the-front-page question. I get that there's some intersectionality with these issues - patriarchy, racism, capitalism - but intersectionality is not what Mirren is promoting (I'm using her here as an example, I don't want to focus too heavily on the details), there's no "...and this is what fuels the oppression of the working class" at the end. Gods, she'd have to swallow a hell of a bitter pill to add that.
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Women's rights have made amazing progress, we have equality enshrined in some quite powerful laws. Trans activism only really took off a few years ago and already there are laws protecting that group, and social pressure among at least the liberal classes is enormous to accommodate. — Isaac
We don't need Helen Mirren to be 'slightly-oppressed' because she shares a chromosome arrangement with victims of FGM, and this is important, because the next most oppressed group to the poor victim of FGM is probably the fucking monster who just carried it out, not some wealthy actress who happens to also have ovaries. — Isaac
However, some people seem to slip into these sorts of discussions and take it as a carte blanche to vent their personal grievances with men on the rest of the world. Suddenly gestures of genuine affection become symbols of male oppression, and fatherhood becomes a means of enacting a power fantasy (as per one of the articles that was linked earlier). — Tzeentch
The Romans celebrated the story of a Roman farmer who, when discovering that marauders were attacking, put on his armor, went and kicked ass, and was back behind the plow in like 20 days. I think it's the same thing you're talking about: the Roman word for it was "gravitas." It means don't be a loud mouth jerk.He doesn't lord it over his employees, doesn't smack his kids, doesn't take advantage of vulnerable young women. — Srap Tasmaner
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