Please state clearly which you think kills more, heat or cold? — Agree to Disagree
Can you provide links to dispute the claim that cold kills more than heat? — Agree to Disagree
Extreme heat and extreme cold both kill hundreds of people each year in the U.S., but determining a death toll for each is a process subject to large errors. In fact, two major U.S. government agencies that track heat and cold deaths--NOAA and the CDC--differ sharply in their answer to the question of which is the bigger killer.
Some changes (such as droughts, wildfires, and extreme rainfall) are happening faster than scientists previously assessed.
Mikie, are you saying that sometimes (climate) scientists get it wrong? That their assessment of the speed of change was not correct.
How do we know that they are not wrong about other things? — Agree to Disagree
What gives you the right to deny them the benefits that they have gained. — Agree to Disagree
How is it winning exactly if I must spend resources on adaptation when I'd rather spend time on leisure? — Benkei
You have a right to think whatever you want.
— frank
Says who? And with what authority? It has always been the case and will always be the case that one does not have the right to think what one likes. If one thinks that all Jews should be exterminated, or that children need introducing to sex by pedophiles. one ought to be locked up, and very likely will be sooner or later.
I have no doubt peddling lies about the climate will be similarly regarded once the effects of climate change begin to bite and the megadeath toll begins to mount. — unenlightened
It’s worth pointing out that ChatteringMonkey provided substantive responses to @Agree to Disagree, all of which was ignored in favor of other posts— posts that can be brought into the realm of subjectivity, where anyone can have an opinion. — Mikie
So how do we know that they are not wrong again? — Agree to Disagree
Yours is a god-of-the-gaps approach to climate denial, even going so far as using the fact that it’s WORSE than some scientists anticipated as proof that they may be wrong about all of it. — Mikie
Let's be civil. — frank
It is civility and civilisation that are under threat. Civility has to stop at the point where the conditions for its existence are threatened, just as 'freedom' does. Your moral scruples will not save us here, but are themselves out of order. It's a climate emergency, not a climate chat show. Let us resist catastrophe, by any means necessary, even including being a bit rude occasionally. — unenlightened
But in an emergency, what is moral changes — unenlightened
For me there are no "facts" that are beyond dispute.
— Agree to Disagree
'Everyone has a right to their own opinions, but not to their own facts' ~ Daniel Patrick Moynihan. — Quixodian
The problem for me, is that I don't think I'm smart enough to know when I'm deluding myself. — frank
The problem for me, is that I don't think I'm smart enough to know when I'm deluding myself.
— frank
But it doesn't stop you telling us how to behave. So it looks like your claim above is one of your delusions. — unenlightened
I didn't rationalize that it's ok to hurt people. — frank
You appear to be rationalising that your interventions here will not hurt anyone, but you may be very wrong. If Mikie is right, then you are giving aid and comfort to those who for whatever reason are actively preventing people from reaching a consensus that would allow a collective response to a crisis that will cost many lives. A high price for us to pay for your delusion of innocence. — unenlightened
Yes. We do not discuss flat Earth theory, because it is nonsense, and would prevent us from having sensible conversations. The climate 'debate' is as over as the flat Earth debate, and the smoking/lung cancer connection debate. To give the impression that it is not over will cost lives, and slow down efforts at mitigation. — unenlightened
To give the impression that it is not over will cost lives, and slow down efforts at mitigation. — unenlightened
So how about just walk away? — frank
You understand that "climate denial" is an umbrella term, that should not be taken absolutely literally? — unenlightened
Creationists say the same thing about evolution— especially when it’s shown that scientists were off about some hypothesis— like ideas about what killed the dinosaurs.
Yours is a god-of-the-gaps approach to climate denial, even going so far as using the fact that it’s WORSE than some scientists anticipated as proof that they may be wrong about all of it. Truly pathetic. But also average. — Mikie
Humans evolved in Africa, near Kenya. So humans should be able to tolerate temperatures which are close to the temperatures found in Kenya. — Agree to Disagree
This is why humans can tolerate heat better than they can tolerate cold. — Agree to Disagree
Many people seem to be paranoid about the use of crude oil. Crude oil is very useful for a lot of reasons. — Agree to Disagree
But [climate scientists] have chosen to "hide" the actual temperatures from the public. — Agree to Disagree
It is almost like I was questioning your religion. — Agree to Disagree
Do you mean the climate scientists who go on all expenses paid holidays each year (COP) to the worlds top tourist spots to discuss how everyone else should stop flying, etc. — Agree to Disagree
Are the people who live in Moscow “suffering” from global-warming? Or are they having street parties to welcome global-warming? — Agree to Disagree
I believe that there are no solutions that aren't doomed from the start. And many of the proposed solutions will actually make things worse. — Agree to Disagree
Currently sea level is rising by about 3 mm per year. I don't need to worry for about 333 years. — Agree to Disagree
There is not much political will to do things that people don't want (if you live in a democracy). — Agree to Disagree
I believe that it is incorrect to hold those companies responsible for 71% of global emissions. The companies are only supplying what people demand. — Agree to Disagree
Can you provide links to dispute the claim that cold kills more than heat? — Agree to Disagree
(To those following along, notice how we've already strayed from anything to do with science, where some work actually needs to be done to follow along, into the subjective, flimsy world of "you're mean to me; I'm misunderstood; you call me names; you're not addressing my red herrings") — Mikie
Still waiting for you to explain what problems exactly are unsurmountable. — Benkei
The cost of winning an argument is that now they hate you because you made them lose. — frank
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