Most didn't know enough about it and the nefarious didn't ever care enough about it. — universeness
1896 Arrhenius publishes first calculation of global warming from human emissions of CO2.
Geneva, 13 September 2022 (WMO press release) - Climate science is clear: we are heading in the wrong direction, according to a new multi-agency report coordinated by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), which highlights the huge gap between aspirations and reality.
It's the most recent in a string of defeats to aggressive climate action that stretches back more than 25 years.
How come you and I knew? I heard it on ordinary popular broadcast media and read it in news magazines - not privileged scientific communiques. In fact, Sagan said it on popular media. Once there was internet, information was readily available. Scientists' warnings were regularly on the evening news.the majority of the population were not informed enough to take serious enough action in response. — universeness
Officials with the Florida Department of Environmental Protection (DEP), the agency in charge of setting conservation policy and enforcing environmental laws in the state, issued directives in 2011 barring thousands of employees from using the phrases “climate change” and “global warming”
You are struggling as best you can, for the sake of all of us, yes? — universeness
Nope. Cynical, burnt-out iconoclast.Are you not still a secular democratic socialist? — universeness
How sad you became so defeated, but such has happened to many, even to some in the socialist movement that were my 'heroes' in my youth. I am glad there are many who will continue fighting.Nope. Cynical, burnt-out iconoclast. — Vera Mont
At our best, I think humans demonstrate far far more empathy, altruism, cooperation, good morality standards and an ability and fierce motivation to be a net positive towards our environment and everything in it, compared to both of them, especially when one of them does not exist.Don't forget, mate: at our best we're primates, not angels. — 180 Proof
At least (I can be assured, I think) that you will never wear a maga cap and go vote for trump (if he is still around) at the next USA election. — universeness
I still don't agree. According to what I've read, American education before that act, followed by the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965, finally made some semblance of an academically rounded education possible for the majority of students. (Except where nobbled by state law and disabled by religious segregation.) — Vera Mont
At our best, I think humans demonstrate far far more empathy, altruism, cooperation, good morality standards and an ability and fierce motivation to be a net positive towards our environment and everything in it, compared to both of them, especially when one of them does not exist.
Addition: Just to be clear, I fully accept that we are primates, but my point was from the position of being the best of them, and then being at OUR best. — universeness
The Glasgow in Nova Scotia is on my travel 'must go see' list. Have you ever been? — universeness
What have you read? This is a sincere question because when people disagree it is usually because their sources of information are different. — Athena
You have mainly talked about the whole nation - as if it were one country, rather than four or six.the region we are talking about could be important. — Athena
There are samples of stories passed down the ages that are the foundation of our culture, and important people of the past and that time in history are mentioned along with passages about the constitution and liberty. — Athena
You probably wouldn't have liked losing to Germany, either. If you want to be a wealthy, powerful nation, you have to be ruthless. Very few strategies are available.The US adopted both the German bureaucratic model and the education model and now it is what it defended its democracy against. — Athena
You can't trace that to 1958. There were a few different decades between Eisenhower and Reagan. And, really, I can't see how US education is messing with Danish heads. The plutocrats have been at the helm and that, up ahead, is the Designated Iceberg.Reactionary politics, and everywhere a growing brutality — Athena
... but mostly, friend, they willingly live likeAt our best, I think humans ... — universeness
Or maybe the movie about a girl going mad.I Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
The Liberty Bell
It speaks of the rights and freedoms valued by people the world over. Particularly forward thinking were Penn's ideas on religious freedom, his liberal stance on Native American rights, and his inclusion of citizens in enacting laws....
The cause of the break is thought to have been attributable either to flaws in its casting or, as they thought at the time, to its being too brittle.... the final expansion of the crack which rendered the Bell unringable was on Washington's Birthday in 1846.
... but mostly, friend, they willingly live like
dogs and sheep. — 180 Proof
What do think of this short speech from the film Gettysburg? — universeness
That good is reliant on our abundance and that is very threatened right now. — Athena
when all hell is breaking loose all around them.more empathy, altruism, cooperation, good morality standards and an ability and fierce motivation to be a net positive towards our environment and everything in it — universeness
To me, each such person is more valuable than most Kings, Popes, Messiahs, or Elon Musks, — universeness
Yes, this is and always has been the status quo, but as it has on many occasions before, the status quo can change, no matter how long it has been so.More valuable and infinitely less influential. — Vera Mont
I have described to you a political system that could change this. You keep offering examples of the way things were or are and seem so ossified in your insistence that this status quo is utterly immutable, which to me seems irrational, and even disproved by natural evolution, where change is prevalent.About 50% of any modern economy rubs on unpaid labour, one way or another: volunteers, students, neighbours, friends, family, all helping one another out or contributing to the community's welfare. None of these people set the nation's economic policy. — Vera Mont
Is a celebrity based reward system immutable? Do we have to keep insisting that this guy or gal did a thing and just keep ignoring all the others involved or the previous work they were/are so utterly dependent on? Will we each always be 'lesser,' than the 'heros'/'gods'/'celebrities,' we admire. I reject that presumption completely. I think we can each do better, and we can each do so, without becoming arrogant prats. We are now very familiar indeed with celebrity / aristocratic / divinity / elitist based leaders and leadership. It's a bad system that we need to reject imo.It's the generals and presidents and Ceo's who get commemorative portraits in ugly gilt frames, prominently displayed in marble foyers, or heroic statues in public squares. They run the world. The helping and working people might be given a plaque next to a doorway, or a dusty photograph in a school library. They keep the world running. — Vera Mont
I have described to you a political system that could change this. — universeness
Given the actual facts on the actual ground, it seems rational to me.You keep offering examples of the way things were or are and seem so ossified in your insistence that this status quo is utterly immutable, which to me seems irrational, — universeness
I can't observe what and whether we "have to" or "will always"; only what has been done and what is done.Do we have to keep insisting that this guy or gal did a thing and just keep ignoring all the others involved or the previous work they were/are so utterly dependent on? — universeness
He evidently inspired you. Yet I do not see the world much changed in his wake.Carl Sagan was a fantastic influencer — universeness
Insofar as your impact on the future, probably.Carl and I are equal in status, — universeness
You seem to be stuck on fantasy (à la faith), universeness. :sparkle: — 180 Proof
You tire too easily Vera. 'If at first we don't succeed, try try again,' has no upper limit on the number of try's. The system we advocate is not impossible, so it's not like the attempt is to reach perfection. 'Better,' is always within the realms of human aspiration.As have I and many others before us. It sounds good, and then it is either snuffed in infancy or else corrupted in its early youth. So far. Maybe next time, it'll be different and the pigs really will fly. — Vera Mont
I accept that is your position.Given the actual facts on the actual ground, it seems rational to me. — Vera Mont
Note that aggression and predation have persisted all these millions of years; the lion may lie down with the lamb - inside him. — Vera Mont
You tire too easily Vera. — universeness
'Better,' is always within the realms of human aspiration. — universeness
Even members of different animal species can bond, and make new relationships, unlike any that have gone before: — universeness
I will leave the scientists to fully answer that one?And that's due to evolution, is it? — Vera Mont
Such as who? — 180 Proof
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