I absolutely am not drawing a parallel between ancient Israel and the modern world, but The Final Solution was also intended to root out future generations of the hated Jew. — BC

A study of Jewish scripture is in place, to get to know whom you're talking about.

Of course, barely anyone is going to do that now, conveniently polarized and fixed in their stance.

I really admire you for your passion and your ideals, universeness. I have seen this vein of yours in other exchanges too.) — Alkis Piskas

Thanks, but you recognise it because it is part of who you are.

Is this your stance? — baker

Israel's reactions to Hamas are very old, very predictable and mostly what Hamas expected and wanted imo. Don't get confused with how the current Israeli regime reacted and what the majority of the Jews in Israel want, and the Jewish diaspora. From your posts so far I do not get a strong indication that you personally would respond to terror and horror visited on you and yours with a like for like response. That's what it comes down to, would you? Are you an eye for an eye kinda person?

Oh, you did get fooled. — baker

Well, In the world according to baker anyway, yes?

:pray:

I really admire you for your passion and your ideals, universeness. I have seen this vein of yours in other exchanges too.) — Alkis Piskas

Jesus Christ...
:vomit:

That was a very childish response to @Alkis Piskas and compelled me to make the following comments:
Your bitter, irrational, very childlike and scattered personal attacks towards me, across various threads, give me cause for concern as to your behaviour.
In previous exchanges, you have indicated your bushidophile status, and your respect and admiration of the Japanese military during WW II. You also defend Spanish nationalism, to the extent that imo, you do not utterly condemn the Spanish conquistadors for their atrocities and genocidal history, in the way that most modern rational thinkers do.
I think these views, point to the possibility that you harbour notions that are borderline fascist at worse.
I hope I am wrong that you hold such views, but if you do then I think the TPF mods and administrators such as @Jamal, should consider if my concerns here are warranted or not. You have called on them a few times now, to ban me from TPF. I fully accept that who gets banned from TPF and for what reasons is their purview and within their remit. But if you are going to snipe at other members in the way that you have demonstrated in your post to Alkis, and you continue to irrationally snipe at me, and you hold views that are in fact, as I have suggested then perhaps the mods should discuss this with you/me.

We have some members here who mix up nationalism with fascism and then with Bushidō culture. But don't expect that much from members who root for syndicalism and expropriation of private property in the 21st century. If I am not wrong, one of the main guidelines of this site is to maintain the quality of the posts. I would rather be banned for being a 'fascist' rather than being ignorant. Agree, dear moderators?

Regardless of banning or not banning from TPF. Ignorant fascist views are disgusting imo.

Quid pro quo.

I get banned for being a 'fascist' - according to your own hateful speech towards Japan and Spain - and you get banned for being an ignorant buffoon.

A better idea would be that you seek professional help for your imbalance.

You are right, I need therapy for my anxiety, but would you mind if you pay me the costs with your tax income? Come on mate, therapy is expensive, pay me the pills and all costs with your money as a good comrade/'contributor'.

Oh, these bloody socialists always use their stupid 'morally' superior argument... it makes me sick.

I understand your confusions. The first thing to cognise, to try to start your repair, is to understand that democratic socialism assigns a higher priority to people, compared to currency. You should be able to access as much mental health services, of the highest quality and for as long as you require, for free, from cradle to grave. Try to remember that money is nothing more than an invention as a means of exchange. Come on, you can do it, progress a little from your bushido boy miasma!

If the world had a bit of Bushidō, it would be a better place to live in. Loyalty, honour, rightness, etc. All these values were lost because of politicians like you. You criticize the way of Samurai when you don't have a clue about...

Don't be an ignorant in a public place... it is disgusting.

If the world had a bit of Bushidō, it would be a better place to live in. Loyalty, honour, rightness, etc. — javi2541997

Nonsense! Do you see a lot of examples of bushido in use in the everyday lives of modern Japan?
Care to cite examples? It's like you are some lost character like 'Kagemusha,' from the Kurosawa movie, or one of the other pathetic characters depicted in that movie. No loyalty, honour, rightness, just uneducated morons, following nefarious leaders towards their own pointless destruction, how pathetic.
Scream 'Banzai,' like clowns, as dumb Japanese soldiers charge machine gun positions with their silly little bayonets and samurai swords, only to be slaughtered like sheep. Yeah, great strategy Javi, I can see why you admire such examples of loyalty, and honour. :roll:

This is exactly the kind of BS that the application of horror and terror results in. BS like bushido. Ignorant terrified Japanese soldiers from their ancient days all the way to WW II.
Time we all (as I hope and reckon most modern Japanese already have,) rejected such backwards thinking. We and you can do much much better that Bushido.

You keep shouting 'banzai' if you must sonny, but you will always belong to a dead and dying past of horror and terror, that has no future. Just like horrors like Hamas have no future imo.

You still have no clue about what Bushidō was about. To be honest, I am not accusing you directly, because I understand that the Western culture and media made a great effort to manipulate us to 'love' our world unconditionally, and disrespect other cultures. Whether you believe in my words or not, corruption didn't exist in Japan until the Westerns polluted all over their beautiful country with our stupid 'modernity'.

You are defending in your arguments the message that it was a 'success' for the Japanese to get rid of their ancestry, when it is clearly the opposite. I hope you don't back up the Hiroshima and Nagasaki destruction either... Because it seems that you defend the end of the Empire of Japan at all costs. You accused me of defending the supposed genocide of backward civilisations like the Maya one, but at the same time you are fine with vanishing Samurai or Edō/Heian people. Hmm... Contradiction or hypocrisy? Pick one.

If I am not wrong, one of the main guidelines of this site is to maintain the quality of the posts. I would rather be banned for being a 'fascist' rather than being ignorant. Agree, dear moderators? — javi2541997

Since all fascists are racist to some extent, being openly fascist is more likely to result in a ban than a lack of quality.

Now please, @javi2541997 and @universeness: enough of your bickering and name-calling.

Whether you believe in my words or not, corruption didn't exist in Japan — javi2541997

Yeah sure Javi, Japan had no corrupt leaders and nothing like Kagemusha, the thief, no rapists, no villains of any kind, until the westerners arrived. How naive are you? And you have the audacity to ever call me ignorant? I know you are young but get a grip son!

I will respond to the other rambling nonsense in you latest post later. Time for beers!

Ok, I will stop responding to him!

enough of your bickering and name-calling. — Jamal

:up:

Okay, let's leave it there.

:up:

being openly fascist — Jamal

You do realize how ironic it is to accuse others of "fascism", when it is precisely what the "good Westerners" are?

I did not accuse anyone of fascism.

Now that the record is set straight, I'm leaving this discussion. No need for anyone to reply. Just get back to the topic or whatever.

In conversations with folks over my years and in listening to angry politicians and just angry people, in various news programs and documentary programs, I have encountered two main 'placeholders' at either end of a range of human notions about justice (placeholder 1) and vengeance (placeholder 2.)

I have listened to theists give quite rational arguments, related to the idea that they hope hell exists, because it is so unjust, if it does not, because evil scum, such as the Hamas terrorists that performed such acts of horrors, on innocent men, women and children, can 'only be killed once!' and that's not a 'satisfying' level of 'vengeance' on them. They must suffer for 'eternity' and suffer at a max level, every moment, as time passes for them, after they are dead!

When that is going on in your mind, perhaps as a victim of horror, visited directly upon you, and or those you care about, then to me, you are becoming akin to those insane perpetrators who committed the horrific acts against you. Israel and its current slaughter of thousands of innocent Palestinians in Gaza right now, are performing actions 'akin' to the insane perpetrators I mentioned, and even worse, may well be doing exactly what Hamas wants. Only the fact that those surrounding Israel, who consider Palestinians to be the same creed/tribe/type of people, as them, have not yet joined the fight against Israel, offers any hope at all, for all of us, against a serious escalation of this fighting.

The latest Israeli/Palestinian conflict or Russia/Ukraine or any other such historical or current conflict, surely means that we each have to decide, where we personally stand on all these placeholder notions.
Justice, horror/terror, vengeance, etc. The following questions come to mind.

1. Is it rational, or wise for you, to want to impose a punishment on anyone, for any heinous act (or continuous actions, based on harbouring or demonstrating as evil a personality and character as any human can perceive,) that will last for an eternity, after such perpetrators have perhaps even been killed for what they did, even in a horrible manner?

2. Is it rational for you to ever sanction/appreciate/accept so called 'collateral damage,' (what a ridiculously benign term for such horrific reality!!!!) when those who have been terrorised, seek 'justified vengeance'?

3. Do you assign any importance to the notion of rehabilitation? In any inner vision/notion you have of hell style vengeance. The ones being punished cannot die (I assume) a second time (hence the eternal aspect of the punishment). So you are beyond the reach of any notion of rehabilitation or forgiveness or 'Jesus dying (but only over a weekend) for your sins.' Do you really want that to be true?

I think your own internal answers to such questions make you either part of a future in which human beings might learn how to be more progressive creatures, or you are helping to maintain and rinse and repeat the horror and terror we have all been aware of as a possible way to be, since we were a part of and then came out of the wilds and the darwinian rules of the survival of the fittest/ most adaptable/competitive/cooperative species.

Nothing is new at all, in all the events that have happened in the current Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
It's all been done sooooooooo many times before.
Yes, the two state solution sounds like a possible way out and even though it is even more unlikely, so does a new country/state called PalesIsrael or Israelipal, etc. These do seem no more that forlorn hopes for now.

Could Israel have decided to react by;
1. Securing the attacked areas and killing any terrorists that they found there.
2. Declaring war against Hamas alone. (which they will say they have done, ONLY! :roll:)
3. Seeking full global support against Hamas by exposing the utter horror they had just inflicted on Israeli civilians.
4. Use every stealth tactic in the book to find ways to attack Hamas, without killing any civilians and attempting to make some kind of reparations to the family of any civilians that do die because of a global pursuit of all members of Hamas?

Could such an approach not be in so many ways, better than what the current Israeli leadership decided to do?