This paragraph is a different topic, which I have no experience in, so I won't speculate.At a height beyond what I’ve experienced lies an ecstasy which the mystics describe as supreme, surpassing anything imaginable. “It shines with the brightness of 10,000 suns.” Critics say the mystics’ ecstasies have a sexual element; some go so far as to describe the ecstasies as the result of suppressed sexuality. I believe there’s a fundamental difference. Belief in material bodies existing in an external material world seems prerequisite for sexuality. In sexual experience, the body is experienced as real. Can the ecstasy of someone who clearly realizes that they consist of awareness, along with a constantly changing stream of physical, emotional, and mental sensations, be genuinely sexual? Perhaps not. Perhaps the ecstasy of the mystic can be described as sexual ecstasy without the sex. It sounds paradoxical. But much that the mystics say is paradoxical. Why? Critics say because the mystics are saying nonsense. Others say it’s because the mystics are trying to describe a reality for which words fail. — Art48
That is the case for the premise “I am not what I am aware of; those are objects of awareness. Rather, I am awareness itself.“ But even if it’s true, so what? — Art48
I have the eclectic attitude that if something is true, then it's true regardless of context. If natives believe the bark of a certain tree can cure headaches and have folk beliefs about why the tree does so, that doesn't prevent scientists from extracting the active ingredient and synthesizing it as aspirin.Because in their original context such doctrines and teachings were part of an integrated spiritual culture. — Wayfarer
I have the eclectic attitude that if something is true, then it's true regardless of context. If natives believe the bark of a certain tree can cure headaches and have folk beliefs about why the tree does so, that doesn't prevent scientists from extracting the active ingredient and synthesizing it as aspirin. — Art48
It's not that clear to me what the OP is seeking. But I'll take this as my starting point:What alternative impresses you more? — Patterner
I choose the coffee mug I want from the several in the draw, I put it on the bench, make the coffee and then pour the coffee into the mug. I carry the mug out to my cahir, place it in the coffee table next to me. i wait for it's contents to cool somewhat, a preference acquired from teaching. Then I will hold it and sip, slowly. Later I will carry it out to the dish washer, place it on the middle shelf. After cleaning I return it to the draw.What we call a coffee mug, for instance, is a bundle of visual and tactile sensations. — Art48
What alternative impresses you more? — Patterner
It's good to keep in mind that despite their having differing opinions on almost everything, professional philosophers are overwhelmingly realist with regard to the existence of the world around us. — Banno
Now, however, we must not fail to clarify expressly the
fundamental and essential distinction between transcendental phenomenological idealism versus that idealism against which realism battles as against its forsworn opponent. Above all: phenomenological idealism does not deny the actual existence of the real world (in the first place, that means nature), as if it maintained that the world were mere semblance, to which natural thinking and the positive sciences would be subject, though unwittingly. Its sole task and accomplishment is to clarify the sense of this world, precisely the sense in which everyone accepts it - and rightly so - as actually existing. That the world exists, that it is given as existing universe in uninterrupted experience which is constantly fusing into universal concordance, is entirely beyond doubt. But it is quite another matter to understand this indubitability which sustains life and positive science and to clarify the ground of its legitimacy.
In this regard, it is a fundamental of philosophy, according to the expositions in the text of the Ideas, that the continual progression of experience in this form of universal concordance is a mere presumption, even if a legitimately valid one, and that consequently the non-existence of the world ever remains thinkable, notwithstanding the fact that it was previously, and now still is, actually given in concordant experience. The result of the phenomenological sense-clarification of the mode of being of the real world, and of any conceivable real world at all, is that only the being of transcendental subjectivity has the sense of absolute being, that only it is "irrelative" (i.e., relative only to itself), whereas the real world indeed is but has an essential relativity to transcendental subjectivity, due,namely, to the fact that it can have its sense as being only as an intentional sense-formation of transcendental subjectivity. Natural life, and its natural world, finds, precisely herein, its limits (but is not for that reason subject to some kind of illusion) in that, living on in its "naturality," it has no motive to pass over into the transcendental attitude, to execute, therefore, by means of the phenomenological reduction, transcendental self-reflection.
(Husserl, Ideas II)
premise: I am not what I am aware of; those are objects of awareness. Rather, I am awareness itself.
Let’s unpack that. Of what am I aware? Of physical sensations (sight, sound, smell, touch, taste) along with emotions and thoughts. Seven types of sensations: five related to the (purported) external world, and the emotions and thoughts that constitute our inner world. — Art48
The idea is to determine what about me is enduring (or, at least, relatively enduring). Thoughts and emotions change in a second. The body changes slower but changes nonetheless. Awareness seems to be the only possible candidate for an enduring, relatively unchanging self.A human is so much more than that. Being aware is so passive. — Banno
Good point. The only candidate for our permanent, enduring self is our awareness. But we also have a relative self. When someone says something about me, they usually refer to my thoughts, emotions, body, profession, family, nationality, etc.It follows that your emotions, thoughts, and inner world are not you. — creativesoul
The body changes slower but changes nonetheless. Awareness seems to be the only possible candidate for an enduring, relatively unchanging self. — Art48
Your teeth, as I understand from a peripheral interest in Archaeology.The idea is to determine what about me is enduring (or, at least, relatively enduring). — Art48
It is not clear that endurance is a suitable criteria for aspects of self. Why shouldn't self be ephemeral? That seems to fit the facts. — Banno
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