But I don't blame you really, you are only a pawn in their game.
— unenlightened
Oh, the irony, it burns. — Agree-to-Disagree
One could say that, in a sense, spite really is a major contributor. — Echarmion
You two are so poetical. You both move forward one square at a time, while capturing diagonally, and if you happen to begin the debate, your first move has the option to move forward two squares instead of one...like the rest of us — Merkwurdichliebe
What if there were greater existential threats to humanity than climate change, would the apathy on those issues not be good reason to be spiteful over all the climate change hype? — Merkwurdichliebe
My biggest fear now is that humanity and the earth will be decimated by the attempts to "solve" global-warming/climate-change. — Agree-to-Disagree
The vast majority of humanity was affected by unusual heat over this 12-month period, researchers found, with 7.3 billion people — 90% of the global population — experiencing at least 10 days of high temperatures “with very strong climate fingerprints.”
In India, 1.2 billion people — 86% of the population — experienced at least 30 days of high temperatures, made at least three times more likely by climate change. In the United States, that figure was 88 million people, or 26% of the population.
Some cities were particularly hard hit. In the US, these were concentrated in the South and Southwest. Houston experienced the longest extreme heat streak of any major city on Earth, according to the report, with 22 consecutive days of extreme heat between July and August.
Can we discount spite as a reasonable response? Might spite not be called for in certain situations?
My main question is: What if there were greater existential threats to humanity than climate change, would the apathy on those issues not be good reason to be spiteful over all the climate change hype? — Merkwurdichliebe
What if the problem of climate change has less to do with human caused carbon emissions, and more to do with the natural phenomenon of human conflict, transgression, &c.? Could science even measure that? — Merkwurdichliebe
My biggest fear now is that humanity and the earth will be decimated by the attempts to "solve" global-warming/climate-change — Agree-to-Disagree
I understand, self inflicted decimation, so that even if all the models turned out to be entirely accurate, so that the current green revolution were the perfect solution, we will have weakened ourselves in the global arena so much that there is little hope of enforcing the green agenda on the will-be global hegemons that care little for our green agenda. — Merkwurdichliebe
My main question is: What if there were greater existential threats to humanity than climate change, would the apathy on those issues not be good reason to be spiteful over all the climate change hype? — Merkwurdichliebe
‘The science is irrefutable’: US warming faster than global average, says report — Oliver Milman @ The Guardian
‘Insanity’: petrostates planning huge expansion of fossil fuels, says UN report — Damian Carrington @ The Guardian
This headline is misleading because it creates the impression that the US is warming faster than other countries. — Agree-to-Disagree
The report shows “more and more people are experiencing climate change right now, right outside their windows”, said Allison Crimmins, a climate scientist and director of the National Climate Assessment. Crimmins said that escalating dangers from wildfires, severe heat, flooding and other impacts mean that the US suffers a disaster costing at least $1bn in damages every three weeks now, on average, compared to once every four months in the 1980s. ....
Scientists who worked on the 32-chapter report, which touches on everything from climate change’s impact upon the oceans to agriculture to transportation to cultural practices, say that scientific confidence about the influence of global heating upon extreme weather and other phenomena has only strengthened since the last report in 2018. ...
The report’s findings include:
* The climate crisis is causing disruption to all regions of the US, from flooding via heavier rainfall in the north-east to prolonged drought in the south-west. A constant is heat – “across all regions of the US, people are experiencing warming temperatures and longer-lasting heatwaves” – with nighttime and winter temperatures rising faster than daytime and summer temperatures.
* People’s health is already being harmed by worsened air quality from smog, wildfire smoke, dust and increased pollen, as well as from extreme weather events and the spread of infectious diseases. Children born in 2020 will be exposed to far more climate-related hazards compared to people born in 1965.
* There are “profound changes” underway in the water cycle, raising the risk of flooding, drought and degraded water supplies for people in the US. Snow cover in mountains is decreasing, while the nation’s supply of groundwater is under threat from warming temperatures.
Is this headline intended to cause fear and anxiety? — Agree-to-Disagree
My biggest fear now is that humanity and the earth will be decimated by the attempts to "solve" global-warming/climate-change.
The collapse you describe in the economy is not such a big threat. It will be painful and might required decades of authoritarianism and revolution. Or even a collapse in civilisation. But the threat from climate change is existential. — Punshhh
The economic collapse is part of climate change, just because the economy is predicated on the eternal expansion of fossil fuel consumption and waste dumping . When the burgers run out the white man will get angry. Angry toddler with nuclear arsenal may not wait for the seas to close over his head. — unenlightened
In the event that we mitigated climate change rapidly and managed to reverse it to some extent, we might just hang on. Although this would depend on the extinction event to be quite limited and the runaway affects of climate change were slowed sufficiently for us and nature to adapt. — Punshhh
And if humans were wiped out, I'd put my money on insect supercolonies to evolve into a new form of life. Just as we're made up of individual cells, they'll be made up of individual organisms. That would be cool. — frank
What I disagree with is the notion that the coming collapse, if there is one, will mean the end of the human species. I mean, it could, but there isn't reason to believe it has to. — frank
They'll use your money for nest material.I'd put my money on insect supercolonies to evolve into a new form of life. — frank
I would put my money on bacteria. — Agree-to-Disagree
Bacteria love global warming. — Agree-to-Disagree
They'll use your money for nest material. — unenlightened
It may be out of date terminology these days. Or climate scientists don’t mention it because it’s too scary and might be counterproductive to efforts to raise awareness of the issues. — Punshhh
They've already won. Always have. Plants and animals are just bacterial megacities.I would put my money on bacteria. — Agree-to-Disagree
Here's a handy summary of roughly how very fucked we are and why we are not going to be unfucked by science magic or very stable geniuses. — unenlightened
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