I'm not sure what I meant. What did you mean by "belief"? — daldai
No, I google it. Really though, I think of that as a set of proven logical, rational rules for solving problems that have nothing to do with belief. — daldai
I think you're reading too much into my use of the term "bitterness", or I misused it. But if you can choose how you emotionally respond to a given situation, you're a better man than me. — daldai
Again, we're getting things back to front here. I don't regard nihilism as the "logical way to think", but the logical conclusion to any open-minded enquiry into the nature of the universe, and that's why I don't consider it a philosophy. — daldai
If it wasn't the only logical conclusion I would be wrong (and cured) but it is, so the only cure is stop thinking about things in a purely logical way, but I don't know how to do that. I admit that the connection between my social limitations and the logical way I look at things may be more correlation than causation, or that there may be something I'm missing. — daldai
Solving problems like "I believe it's going to rain tomorrow"? Then you have a belief system. You have a systematic methodology to arrive at dispositions regarding states of affairs. Or in more common language, you believe things, and you have methods for arriving at those beliefs. — Reformed Nihilist
To some degree I can, and to some degree I cannot. I can create habits. I can intentionally exploit the loopholes in my own psychology. I can be aware of the psychological and external precursors to the sorts of emotional responses that I would prefer not to get caught up in and, to a degree manage those in order to avoid those emotional reactions. So I'm not totally the master of my emotions, but, like with my environment, I do have some control. Anyone is capable of that, at least to some degree. — Reformed Nihilist
It sounds like you're trying to convince me that there is inherent meaning in the pursuit of knowledge — daldai
You must be a nightmare when your partner is looking for an argument. — daldai
You (and billions of others) are suffering from a cultural malaise, from the pernicious effects of taking a religious view of science, as others here are saying. — Wayfarer
Firstly, I like to apologize for signing up specifically to start a topic and not to get involved in other discussions, but I really do need help here. I have googled around but mostly seem to run into adverts aimed specifically at the depressed and vulnerable. I am not clinically depressed, vulnerable or easily offended and would appreciate any feedback. — daldai
This sounds like a sort of pre-rational romanticism. And I think your meaning may be clearer if you use a term like 'rationality' or 'skepticism' rather than truth.I think history, and non-secular cultures today, tell us this [truth and meaning act in opposition]. When societies have religion peoples' lives have meaning. When western culture embraced scientific realism, people's lives lost meaning. — daldai
Searching for meaning in life makes sense to me. Searching for the meaning of life, a singular meaning, seems nonsensical. We are surrounded by and saturated in meaning.Searching for the meaning of life is taking the process of justification beyond the point that it is useful. You could call it the existential justification fallacy. — daldai
How does this make sense? If science is functioning as a religion or system of meaning why would it's adherents, and our nihilist friend daldai, be suffering from a lack of meaning? — praxis
Can you imagine anyone adhering to a meaningless religion? The only essential thing a religion needs to provide is meaning. If it fails to do that it will die, or never takes hold to begin with.I don't know if Scientificism (the religion of Science-Worship) is a system of meaning. For many it's a system of no-meaning. — Michael Ossipoff
There are of course different branches of science. What does that have to do with it being a religion? How exactly do Scientificists worship?But, either way, it can be said that different Scientificists worship their religion in different ways...that iit has "denominations", if you like. — Michael Ossipoff
That is not at all evident.Evidently, at face-value, daldai's Science-Worship is causing him great angst. — Michael Ossipoff
I suggest you review what daldai has written in this topic.But, when someone's belief is presumably making him unhappy, but he adamantly advocates an unusually extreme, doctrinaire and dogmatic version of it,, and isn't considering letting go of it, will anyone be able to help him? — Michael Ossipoff
Better that than a brass knuckle switch blade street fight over philosophy. — Bitter Crank
Once again, I don't have a world-view. Nihilism is the absence of a world-view. I really did think this might be the one forum where I didn't have to explain this. If you adopt a world-view you cannot end up a nihilist. If you don't you can only end up a nihilist. Maybe it's because you are used to people using the term as some kind of badge of honour. — daldai
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