Asked and answered. — Mww
n so far as space is merely itself a representation, and perception of representations is impossible, perception of space is incomprehensible. — Mww
I believe "I saw an Ichthyocentaur in the garden". I reason that my belief was groundless.
Could I then not say "I was suffering an illusion"? — RussellA
If space is incomprehensible….. — Corvus
Isn't perception of space necessarily deducted in the perception of objects? — Corvus
Sorry I thought you were claiming that space is incomprehensible.If space is incomprehensible…..
— Corvus
It isn’t. — Mww
Were we not talking about perception of space? My point was that you cannot perceive objects without perceiving space. Space is presupposed in the perception of the objects. It follows that space or perception of space cannot be illusion, be transcendental or empirical.No. The objective validity of that which relates the objects as separate from the perceiver, or as separate from each other, is deduced from perception of objects. — Mww
All living things, from the very simplest, display intentional behaviours and perform tasks which mechanical devices do not — Wayfarer
But by 'transcending the biological' I mean h. sapiens has capacities and abilities which are beyond those biological functions, amazing though they might be. — Wayfarer
But I see that as reductionist - it reduces culture to a utility in the service of reproduction, or a by-product of it, rather than having an intrinsic reality. — Wayfarer
man 'the rational animal' is able to grasp through reason principles that are not perceptible to the senses alone — Wayfarer
For example, time and space are transcendental ideas; they are not derived from experience but are the necessary conditions under which any sensory experience can occur — Wayfarer
For instance, the concept of God, the soul, or the totality of the universe are transcendent ideas because they are beyond the scope of empirical investigation and human comprehension. — Wayfarer
Space is presupposed in the perception of the objects. — Corvus
My point was that you cannot perceive objects without perceiving space. — Corvus
Presupposition is condition, not to deduce.Yes, but to presuppose is to deduce, it is not to perceive. — Mww
Yes, isn't it what exactly Kant was pointing out? Space is a necessary precondition for appearance of objects in TI. But it is also an object of perception in material empiricism. (according to Antinomy of Pure Reason).Then you must grant that space can affect the senses in the same manner as objects, which reduces to the necessity that space must have properties. At which point, upon determining that space cannot have properties, insofar as there is no possibility of space appearing to you as an object, — Mww
Reason deals with both aspect of space as implied in Antinomy of Pure Reason in CPR.What….that reason can do pretty much whatever it wants? Sure, but then what? — Mww
Wouldn't it be better reading between the lines at times where it appears inconsistent and vague, rather than reading the word by word? :)Not in CPR, is doesn’t.
(Glances up at thread title) — Mww
But how can my concept of a Thing-in-Itself be more than just its appearance, if by definition it is impossible to conceptualise a Thing-in-Itself outside of its appearance? — RussellA
Ultimately, what we call “reality” is so deeply suffused with mind- and language-dependent structures that it is altogether impossible to make a neat distinction between those parts of our beliefs that reflect the world “in itself” and those parts of our beliefs that simply express “our conceptual contribution.” The very idea that our cognition should be nothing but a re-presentation of something mind-independent consequently has to be abandoned. — Dan Zahavi, Husserl’s Legacy: Phenomenology, Metaphysics, and Transcendental Philosophy, Dan Zahavi
We could be biological machines. — RussellA
I agree that it may be distasteful to think that humans can be reduced to products of mindless evolution, but does this necessarily mean that this is not the case? — RussellA
How can the soul be beyond the scope of human comprehension as millions of words have been written about it? — RussellA
How can the soul be beyond the scope of human comprehension as millions of words have been written about it? — RussellA
There are more quotes from CPR suggesting that Kant had the dual perspectives on the concept of Space. By the way, this quote is not from the antinomy.You’ve presented an antinomy justifying the antithesis of an idea. My response is merely a further counter-claim extending from the thesis of that idea. — Mww
If you've experienced an altered state of consciousness, that conclusion (that a 'soul' is beyond comprehension) is perhaps best thought off as an approximation. IN altered states, things become comprehensible which are not in normal waking consciousness. — AmadeusD
It is that the mind is not a blank slate which passively receives impressions from the world, but an active agent that dynamically constructs the experience of the world ('the world'). — Wayfarer
But the thing is, we can't see that process from the outside. — Wayfarer
It's an invalid metaphor, as organisms display fundamental characteristics which machines do not. Machines are built by external agents (namely, humans) to perform functions. — Wayfarer
My view is that the idea of mindless nature is specific to a particular phase of cultural development which was dominant in the late modern period, but which I believe is falling from favour. — Wayfarer
Kant would say that it's because the mind has a tendency to seek answers to unanswerable questions. — Wayfarer
But it seems equally the case that humans have been "built" by an external agent — RussellA
Unifying investigators of embodied cognition is the idea that the body or the body’s interactions with the environment constitute or contribute to cognition in ways that require a new framework for its investigation - SEP — RussellA
If nature isn't mindless, what kind of mind do you envisage nature having? — RussellA
Isn't this a lost cause, answering the unanswerable? — RussellA
As soon as you have to enclose the key word in scare quotes, it's game over — Wayfarer
'New' in comparison to what, do you think? — Wayfarer
Yep. Sounds pretty much like what I said 7 hours ago. — Mww
Still not buying the idea of 'build'. — Wayfarer
he had two cases of explanation for space….. — Corvus
So, Kant was not simply saying that all space is internal and necessary a priori condition for all perception. — Corvus
Yep. Sounds pretty much like what I said 7 hours ago.
— Mww
No it doesn't. — AmadeusD
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