I haven't judged my neighbour, I've judged abstractly. If someone really is an unrepentant criminal of the kind I've described, they will be destined for hell. Of course, I cannot judge particular instances, only God would know their hearts.There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you--who are you to judge your neighbor? — Heister Eggcart
I do, I haven't judged individual people. All I said is if someone were to be TRUTHFULLY described as an unrepentant criminal, then they will not go to Heaven.No, it's not. You don't know their internal state, only God does. Why don't you let him be the judge? — Thorongil
I haven't judged my neighbour, I've judged abstractly. — Agustino
Which soul?Judgement is judgement, and you're judging a soul into hell, which is not your place to do. — Heister Eggcart
And which one is that?The soul you think you can decide whether or not it goes to heaven or not. — Heister Eggcart
I'm not playing dumb, I'm getting you to see that I've actually judged no soul. I said a general statement. A general statement only becomes a judgement when applied to particulars, otherwise it's just a general statement. I did not suggest I can apply it to particulars, for I would not know what is in their hearts.Stop playing dumb or I'll stop replying to you. — Heister Eggcart
No, I actually said UNREPENTANT criminals are not going to Heaven. And yes, I hold by that statement. All unrepentant criminals will not be in Heaven.You said that you were certain that criminals weren't going to heaven. This is not a statement, but a specified judgement of all criminals — Heister Eggcart
:s Have you left your logic in the drain? If I am not an unrepentant criminal, it wouldn't follow that I'm going to Heaven necessarily. If A is a B (an unrepentant criminal is a hell-destined sinful person), it doesn't follow that C (something other than a criminal) isn't a B (a hell destined sinful person).Furthermore, if you are so certain of who will and won't pass through the pearly gates, I'm sure you've decided for yourself that you are heaven-bound, for you aren't a criminal, amirite? — Heister Eggcart
No, I actually said UNREPENTANT criminals are not going to Heaven. And yes, I hold by that statement. All unrepentant criminals will not be in Heaven. — Agustino
Have you left your logic in the drain? — Agustino
If I am not an unrepentant criminal, it wouldn't follow that I'm going to Heaven necessarily. If A is a B (an unrepentant criminal is a hell-destined sinful person), it doesn't follow that C (something other than a criminal) isn't a B (a hell destined sinful person). — Agustino
How could they be? Is it possible to be forgiven of your sins if you do not repent? The Bible and Christian tradition certainly doesn't indicate so.Also, how do you know that unrepentant criminals won't be in heaven? — Heister Eggcart
X-) Don't confuse. I take logic to be valuable and useful, but in a limited way. Logic isn't an absolute for me. It's not an absolute judge. Logic, just like our other capacities, is also fallible. For example, the Trinity is contradictory, but I think the Trinity is right and logic wrong. I also gave you the quantum mechanics example.No, I thought that was you, considering the tenor of your posts yesterday. — Heister Eggcart
I don't know which individual people will go to Heaven, I agree. But that's because I cannot know if an individual person fits the description of unrepentant criminal with 100% certainty. If I could know that about a particular person, then I could say if they're going to Heaven or not.None of this follows at all because you have no knowledge of who does and does not go to heaven. Period. Only God does, which means that you are in no place to pass judgement on those whose fates you have no knowledge of. — Heister Eggcart
How could they be? Is it possible to be forgiven of your sins if you do not repent? The Bible and Christian tradition certainly doesn't indicate so. — Agustino
I don't know which individual people will go to Heaven, I agree. — Agustino
Yes I do have such knowledge, but I do not have the knowledge of who actually is an unrepentant criminal. I cannot tell you this man or that man, etc. won't be in Heaven.You've already said that unrepentant criminals won't go to heaven which entails you having knowledge of such being a certainty. — Heister Eggcart
Yes I do have such knowledge — Agustino
but I do not have the knowledge of who actually is an unrepentant criminal. — Agustino
I cannot tell you this man or that man, etc. won't be in Heaven. — Agustino
I said I cannot know this with certainty. I may be one, but I don't think so. Low probability.Oh, so maybe you're an unrepentant criminal. — Heister Eggcart
Absolutely! I don't know if I will be in Heaven. But I do hope I will be.Okay, good, which includes you too, (Y) — Heister Eggcart
I may be one, but I don't think so. Low probability. — Agustino
Absolutely! I don't know if I will be in Heaven. But I do hope I will be. — Agustino
Sounds like hell is empty of souls, methinks. If God is love, then I wonder why he is said to keep a record of our wrongs throughout our lives in order to then judge which afterlife we go to. It appears as though God is, in fact, all forgiving, which is a quality I on't think Buddha can match, so Jesus > Buddha. — Heister Eggcart
'Anonymous Christianity' means that a person lives in the grace of God and attains salvation outside of explicitly constituted Christianity — Let us say, a Buddhist monk — who, because he follows his conscience, attains salvation and lives in the grace of God; of him I must say that he is an anonymous Christian...'
— Karl Rahner
Then why does Jesus say that narrow is the path that leads to salvation and wide is the path the leads unto destruction? Why did he say that it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God? Why are there more mentions of hell in the New Testament, than in the Old Testament?Sounds like hell is empty of souls, methinks. If God is love, then I wonder why he is said to keep a record of our wrongs throughout our lives in order to then judge which afterlife we go to. It appears as though God is, in fact, all forgiving, which is a quality I on't think Buddha can match, so Jesus > Buddha. — Heister Eggcart
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