Hard determinism and free will are two ideas but they are ideas about how reality works. Hard determinism and free will are not mental states the way happiness and sadness are mental states. — Truth Seeker
That's just you saying this. It doesn't entail that you've looked for, or understand what we're putting infront of you.
If every event has a prior cause, these are absolute facts. It is not possible to sit yourself outside of that lineage. If you reject that, you're in need of a rather strong and convincing argument that includes empirical considerations and logical cogency. I don't think you ahve either. — AmadeusD
It makes perfect sense to me, when I ask someone "Are you happy?", and get a reply "Well Yes and No".Happiness and sadness are mental states but they are determined by the electrochemical activities of the brain. You can't be both happy and sad at the same time but you can be happy at one time and sad at another time. — Truth Seeker
Well prove your argument in Logical argument. You must start with some reasonable premises for your arguments, and then inferences and reasonings for the premises, and then your conclusion. Will have a look at it together for its validity and soundness.It goes even deeper than that. Assuming that atoms, molecules, cells, bodies, planets, universes are real and not simulation or hallucination or dream or illusion, our thinking occurs as a result of the electrochemical activities of the brain. This activity is determined and constrained by the laws of physics. That's why we can't think faster than our nerve conduction velocity which is 50 to 60 metres per second. — Truth Seeker
We can come to a closure clarifying either your assertion has a validity with logical sound argument, or it was just your mental state. — Corvus
We hold that it is (though, intuitively, I am fairly open to the idea that something about consciousness to be discovered will shake this). If all events have prior causes, you don't have Free Will. You've not addressed any arguments at all. — AmadeusD
IFF all events have prior causes, Determinism is true. — AmadeusD
"Determinism" is a thought-experiment, not a truth-claim – a supposition, not a proposition.Is determinism true? — Truth Seeker
We cannot "know" it, only imagine it.How can we know for sure?
I thought my argument was clear in my reply to you. All my actions and expressions are caused by my freewill. What else could it be? — Corvus
I have not seen the logical proof of that. Where is it? Or you could prove again here.
How do you know all events have prior causes? — Corvus
"Determinism" is a thought-experiment, not a truth-claim. — 180 Proof
You asked for a logically sound argument.
P1. IfDeterminism is true, Free Will is not possible;
P2. Determinism is true.
P3. Your choices are determined.
C. Your concept of Free Will is an illusion. — AmadeusD
Hmmmm matter of evidence? Are you sure? :)It's a matter of evidence. I have provided you with the evidence. You failed to forever refrain from the 27 things I asked you to refrain from. You failed to do the 7 tasks I asked you to do. — Truth Seeker
It is OK that you disagree with me. I told you already that it is usually impossible to change someone's belief which is based on psychology or mental state. It is a psychological belief, so there is no way to persuade the believer using logical argument. I know it already, because I saw how it was impossible to change the view of the dualists who believe that I think therefore I am, is a logical statement.I disagree with you because the evidence contradicts your position. It does not matter to me whether you agree with me or not. — Truth Seeker
How can you be both happy and not happy at the same time? I have never experienced. I wish we were all telepathic - that way we could really know what it is like to be each other instead of having to resort to communicate with words. — Truth Seeker
I don't know what it is like to be you or anyone else. I have never been happy and unhappy at the same time. — Truth Seeker
I provided you with the determining effects of genes, environments, nutrients, and experiences. If you don't remember what I said, please read my posts again. Once you have refrained from the 27 things I asked you to refrain from and have done the 7 tasks I asked you to do, I will be convinced that you have free will. — Truth Seeker
It sounds like a contradiction to me. It's saying someone was alive and dead at the same time or angry and calm at the same time or excited and bored at the same time. — Truth Seeker
An earthquake is determined by all the variables that cause it. A cyclone is determined by all the variables that cause it. A choice is determined by all the variables that cause it. Do you understand now? — Truth Seeker
Can you prove to me that you are both happy and unhappy at the same time? — Truth Seeker
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