When selections pressures produced a brain, — Harry Hindu
There is always magic in science's explanation for mind. This the magic:
Some supernatural force called Selection... (which is apparently obsessed with surviving) — Rich
And, for some inexplicable supernatural, magical reason, individuals that have more offspring are better-represented in the population. — Michael Ossipoff
Yes, for some inexplicable supernatural, magical reason, individuals that survive long enough to reproduce seem to have more offspring. :D — Michael Ossipoff
...and their heritable attributes and traits are better represented in the population. — Michael Ossipoff
The mind is what the brain does — Harry Hindu
.I thought I said this earlier. Determinism is a popular position in academia where the mind is seen as almost irrelevant and consciousness epiphenomenal.
We know that we have vivid private experiences but these are not seen in the brain and there is no real explanation as how they emerge from the brain if they do. — Andrew4Handel
We know that we have vivid private experiences but these are not seen in the brain and there is no real explanation as how they emerge from the brain if they do. — Andrew4Handel
What utter nonsense. — Michael Ossipoff
The animal (that's you) has to be designed to do things. — Michael Ossipoff
The mind is what the brain does — Harry Hindu
This is very controversial you are ignoring large explanatory gaps. — Andrew4Handel
As I have said, mutations cause new traits which could provide positive, negative, or neutral consequences to surviving and procreating. Selection pressures are processes that filter out the negative mutations and are what causes positive traits to become the new norm. I have never said that natural selection causes the mutations. You simply aren't reading my posts and I find myself repeating myself. It's getting old.I don't see how selction pressures cause anything? Causes and dispositions we know of are properties of biochemstry and available dispositions — Andrew4Handel
As I said, you are injecting your dualism into the discussion, which creates this false dichotomy this impossible problem of explaining how the brain gives rise to consciousness.We know that we have vivid private experiences but these are not seen in the brain and there is no real explanation as how they emerge from the brain if they do. Also we know we have representations and semantic states and these are not explained at all by neuronal activity. — Andrew4Handel
I've already answered the homosexual problem - twice. You need to pay attention and take into account what I have said because we are both repeating ourselves, and it's getting old.Evolutionary psychology modular theory of mind is very biased, where it likes to put basic traits in service of reproduction hence their puzzlement over homosexuality. Modular theories of mind predate it. — Andrew4Handel
It's only controversial to those that aren't educated in modern theories of neurology. — Harry Hindu
As I have said, mutations cause new traits which could provide positive, negative, or neutral consequences to surviving and procreating. Selection pressures are processes that filter out the negative mutations — Harry Hindu
.We know that we have vivid private experiences but these are not seen in the brain and there is no real explanation as how they emerge from the brain if they do. — Andrew4Handel
.What utter nonsense. — Michael Ossipoff
.Of course, it knows a ton of stuff about neurology, far more than was known 20 or 50 or 100 years ago, but the 'hard problem of consciousness' is recognised by many scientists and philosophers as exactly that - a problem of the kind to which there isn't even an imagined solution.
.Because unlike any amount of scientific knowledge of neurology, experience is first person.
.“The animal (that's you) has to be designed to do things.”— Michael Ossipoff
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A million monkeys, with a millon typewriters, couldn't produce the above.
I have not heard an explanation for example of why biochemical activity at neuronal synapses would lead to a private subjective severe pain sensation. Or why any physical activity should lead to an observer, subjectivity and sensation. Hopefully you can see the difference between someone examining my body and brain when I report pain and myself having the actual experience. — Andrew4Handel
If all Andrew4Handel meant was to bemoan the fact that science hasn’t mapped out the entire workings of the brain, then I owe him an apology. — Michael Ossipoff
[Sapolsky] also has been thinking about free will and comes to the conclusion, based on the biological and psychological evidence, that we do not have it." — Andrew4Handel
I have not heard an explanation for example of why biochemical activity at neuronal synapses would lead to a private subjective severe pain sensation. — Andrew4Handel
My answer was that those sensations are natural-selection's way of incentivizing you to get your hand out of the fire. — Michael Ossipoff
Besides, if Sapolsky's supposition were correct, he would have no choice but to believe that, and those who doubt him would have no choice but to doubt, so there would certainly be no point in debating, as nobody's view could ever be changed by rational argument. — Wayfarer
People forget how much information is transmitted through symbols and language and not by direct access to Physical states. — Andrew4Handel
.My answer was that those sensations are natural-selection's way of incentivizing you to get your hand out of the fire. — Michael Ossipoff
.That I not an explanation causal or otherwise.
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It would be great if natural selection had given me wings so I could fly to the shops.
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You make it sound like evolution just conjures things up if they would be useful.
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Now if determinists are right (they aren't) we couldn't act on out pain and also there are lots of pains we can't act on including toothache and headaches, severe pain at the final stages of cancer and so on.
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Just because consciousness has its uses does not mean it can avoid having a biochemical or technical/theoretical causal explanation. If neuronal activity causes pain then how?
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You have an unjustified overconfidence.
ust because consciousness has its uses does not mean it can avoid having a biochemical or technical/theoretical causal explanation. If neuronal activity causes pain then how? — Andrew4Handel
The animal is designed, by natural selection (please give it the benefit of the doubt for the time-being) to protect itself, to avoid damage. If your hand contacts fire, the pain tells you that damage is occurring, or is immanent. And it makes you want to get your hand out of the fire. — Michael Ossipoff
But that photo, and the abuses of the various abusers, — Michael Ossipoff
It is a video not a photo. It is worth a look. Science is not just about facts but it can impose and support pernicious brutal theories about human status. That video highlights how theory was imposed on the world to justify abuses and hierarchies and inaction and genocide. — Andrew4Handel
If your hand contacts fire, the pain tells you that damage is occurring, or is imminent. And it makes you want to get your hand out of the fire.
The exact detailed mechanism? Who knows? i don't. Maybe there are scientists who do. — Michael Ossipoff
I've already answered the homosexual problem - twice. — Harry Hindu
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