Trump agrees to be interviewed by the one agency that will use it to indict him with some sort of specious process crime.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-assassination-attempt-fbi-9c3838fcf9753b3e61caf97804112fca

Wait a minute. Didn't Trump appoint Chris Wray? Surely, you can't be saying one of Trump's best people is out to get him.

Many of Trump's employees descend into the moral panic, as do many seemingly qualified and rational people. Add on top of that the historical failures of that agency, their likelihood to use methods like entrapment and deception, the situation is ripe with danger.

Trump is trying to distance himself from Project 2025. From an interview on Fox News:

It’s a group of very, very conservative people. And they wrote a document that many of the points are fine. Many of the points are absolutely ridiculous.

But during the same interview he also said that he has:

“never seen” the plan and had “nothing to do with” it.

He has never seen it and has nothing to do with it, and yet he knows it has many fine points and many that are absolutely ridiculous. What we do not know, because he has not said, is which of them does he think are the many fine points and which are ridiculous.

Paul Dans has stepped down from his leadership position on the project, but a spokesman for Heritage said the project is not shutting down. In typical fashion, following the criticism of the plan, Trump is now attempting distance himself from the project, many of whose proposals were crafted by people who served in his first administration. Unfortunately for him, either way, the damage has been done.

I expect his opponents will continue to keep this before the public.

Another conspiracy theory down the drain with Project 25. What’s odd is that they won’t focus on Trump’s actual agenda, which he’s had for over a year now. There is much red meat there that any Kamala fan can use to fill that Trump-sized hole in his soul.

But the brief event, and the subsequent attempt to pick up the pieces, shows how easily viral nonsense can be effectively downloaded and installed as knowledge without much effort, much like Russiagate. All that’s left is motivated reasoning bias to keep it in the mind’s eye.

At a dinner sponsored by the Heritage Foundation in April 2022 Trump said: “This is a great group, and they’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America.”
NBC News

Some will deny he said this but there is a video of it.

Project 25 didn’t release its mandate until April 2023. Trump started Agenda 47 in January 2023, and remains his only official agenda. Trump also endorsed the RNC platform, which is softer on many issues than Project 25. He never once endorsed Project 25’s mandate.

Some will skirt around these facts and never even mention them because it contradicts their imagination.

Trump is someone I really admire. Only recently I began viewing him in the manner in which he doesn't bend over to the establishment or any secret societies and so on.

He might be a populist but he really is the man of the people. I doubt he crafted himself this way but his character and personality really resonate with voters.

I hope he wins the presidency.

By the way, this is coming from a Democrat.

Indeed, I was hoping my son would turn out like Donald, but I'm sad to say he's a cuck who doesn't grab pussy or cheat on his wife. And from the way he talks, it sounds like he values relationships over money. Fucking pajama boy

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DonOLD The Clown – adjudicated¹ ra[c/p]ist, MAGA-GOP candidate for "dictator-for-a-day" – who is very afraid of a much younger & stronger, incredibly smarter, and charismatic black woman (who happens to be the current VPOTUS) and too chickenshit – must be them ol' "bonespurs" – to debate her in the fall.

¹1973 & 2023 respectively

Roevermber is coming for you, Bonespurs! :victory: :mask:

:lol:

In case there are still any waverers out there; here is the spokesperson for Fictional Serial Killer Cannibals for Harris giving you the straight dope on Trump. And That's a shark worse than electrocution for sure.

Even the Dead are Harris supporters.



Laugh! They cannot tolerate not being taken seriously.

So much emotion.

By the way, this thread is the longest thread with 742 pages. Keep in mind that I'm not talking about a phallus.

Yeah ...

The women are smarter

Roevember is coming! :victory: :mask:

Only recently I began viewing him in the manner in which he doesn't bend over to the establishment or any secret societies and so on. — Shawn

His choose of Supreme Court nominees was decided by the Federalist Society. His come to Jesus charade was created to get Evangelical backing. His sycophant bowing down to Putin requires bending over to kiss his ass.

he really is the man of the people. — Shawn

He really is not. He is the privileged son of a wealthy, racist, corrupt, real estate swindler (Fred Trump) who joined his father's enterprise to bilk the government and battle one law suit after another. His father gave him what he says was a "small loan". It was at least a million dollars with which he started a series of failed businesses, leaving the contractors to foot the bill. In an earlier skin he was shunned by the "beautiful people" of New York he so desperately wanted to be a member of. He tried to buy his way in, but his ostentatious attempts to display class were regarded as too crass even for them. He was obsessed with and courted the gossip columnists, anonymously feeding them stories about himself. The infamous lawyer Roy Cohn was his mentor.

He is a manufactured image promoted by reality TV. Packaged and sold to the American people. A con man who has conned his way to the top.

Trump is someone I really admire — Shawn

How do you square your admiration with his immoral character? In particular, the numerous instances of fraud. I can (kind of) get overlooking his sex crimes since they are against individuals, but fraud is a way of life with this guy - and he's applied it during his Presidency - manipulating his supporters with lies. His "drain the swamp" proclamation was a fraud - he had the most corrupt set of appointees in history. He tried to weaponize the DOJ, and then complains (without evidence) the Democrats have done that, while promising to prosecute people in retaliation for the fiction they've gone after him.

Trump agrees to be interviewed by the one agency that will use it to indict him with some sort of specious process crime. — NOS4A2

When has the DOJ ever gone after Trump for a "process crime"?

Many of Trump's employees descend into the moral panic, as do many seemingly qualified and rational people — NOS4A2

Applying the law equitably entails "moral panic"?!

"Criminal", "weird", "immoral" - what do these words even mean to people who live in a nation that's funding a literal genocide? :chin:

It seems Trump fits right in with the people who run the White House, but perhaps the reason he is so impopular is because he's not trying to hide it?

"Criminal", "weird", "immoral" - what do these words even mean to people who live in a nation that's funding a literal genocide? :chin: — Tzeentch

A fair question. Harris just yesterday repeated the tired slogan about Israel having a “Right to defend itself,” now 10 months into a genocide ethnic cleansing campaign. Republicans would have a point in calling this out— but, of course they support Israel even more forcefully. As does Trump.

When has the DOJ ever gone after Trump for a "process crime"?

Never. But my point was that they are going to, not that they have.

Applying the law equitably entails "moral panic"?!

No, believing Trump is an existential threat entails a moral panic, and many of his disgruntled former employees have stated as much.

When has the DOJ ever gone after Trump for a "process crime"?


Never. But my point was that they are going to, not that they have. — NOS4A2

So it's just paranoia toward the FBI (hmm. I wonder where that came from ;-)) that induces you to assume the worst about them....

Applying the law equitably entails "moral panic"?!

No, believing Trump is an existential threat entails a moral panic, and many of his disgruntled former employees have stated as much — NOS4A2

...but the paranoia of people who've worked for Trump and fear for what he might do (based on what they've heard him say and things he tried to do) is the only thing that's unreasonable.

So it's just paranoia toward the FBI (hmm. I wonder where that came from ;-)) that induces you to assume the worst about them....

It comes from a mix of principle and evidence. I don't trust authority in principle. As for evidence, most of those convicted in the Mueller investigation, for example, were for process crimes. Now that we know that there was no underlying crime to begin with, that the entire investigation was a failure and had no reason to start in the first place, it makes their indictments all the more unjust.

...but the paranoia of people who've worked for Trump and fear for what he might do (based on what they've heard him say and things he tried to do) is the only thing that's unreasonable.

It is unreasonable because it isn't grounded in any reality and completely unfounded.

As for evidence, most of those convicted in the Mueller investigation, for example, were for process crimes. Now that we know that there was no underlying crime to begin with, that the entire investigation was a failure and had no reason to start in the first place, it makes their indictments all the more unjust. — NOS4A2

Setting aside the fact that Manafort committed serious financial crimes, DOJ often threatens to prosecute "process crimes" to induce the witnesses to cooperate. It often does work, but in this case - Trump managed to keep them loyal by promising them pardons. Loyalist Barr killed the potential obstruction indictment of Trump which would have been well-deserved.

The evidence made it clear that Trump was willing to conspire with the Russians, and that he indirectly did so through Stone's coordination with Wikileaks. But because it couldn't be proven he had made a direct deal to act on Russia's behalf (it' supposed to be a mere coincidence that Russia asked him to speak supprortively of the Crimea invasion, and he did so), no case could be brought.

So...it seems that your judgement of the DOJ is based on Trumpian falsehoods.

So...it seems that your judgement of the DOJ is based on Trumpian falsehoods.

It’s based on special counsel findings. They should never have launched a full investigation. They used raw, unanalyzed, and uncorroborated intelligence. Investigators concluded “the (Justice) Department and FBI failed to uphold their important mission of strict fidelity to the law in connection with certain events and activities described in this report”.

You’re just repeating media falsehoods.

You’re just repeating media falsehoods. — NOS4A2

On the contrary, I read the Mueller report, the IG's report, the Senate Acitve Measures Report, and the Durham Report. You seem base your view entirely on the Durham report, and don't even seem to understand what he was examining and saying.

Durham's opined that Crossfire Hurricane should only have been opened as a preliminary investigation, and he based this on his assessment of the evidence listed in the case proposal. What Durham doesn't mention is that had it been opened as a preliminary investigation, it wouldn't have changed it's course and it would have been upgraded to a full investigation as additional evidence came in. Durham has a right to his opinion, but it is the FBI directors opinion that matters - because it is his call to make. The IG investigated and agreed. A difference of opinion with the FBI director does not imply any wrongdoing was done. And this isn't even the Mueller investigation - that investigation was initiated because Trump fired Comey. Durham had nothing but praise for Mueller.

It’s based on special counsel findings. — NOS4A2

Complete nonsense. The IG found some mistakes made during the Crossfire investigation (not the Mueller investigation), specifically with the FISA warrants on Carter Page. Durham found no other mistakes. He disagreed with some specific judgements (e.g. Durham felt that some misinformation from Russian Intelligence about Clinton's involvement should have been more fully investigated, which is ludicrous given that it's abundantly clear Russia was truly helping Trump).

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You don’t mention that the Mueller probe took over from crossfire hurricane, for some reason, acting as if they were somehow separate. The only reason we got a special counsel was because the conspiracy theorists among Congress demanded one after Comey’s firing.

So independent was it that the incompetent and biased investigators on the failed Crossfire Hurricane investigation were simply moved to the office of the Special Counsel. You won’t mention that these investigators were fired for anti-Trump texts.

The whole charade was the fruit of a poisoned tree, none of which should have went past a preliminary investigation, but all of which had been used against just one political campaign.

Knowing all you know about counter-intelligence investigations, would you apply your discernment towards the other campaign? because according to DNI Radcliffe: “U.S. intelligence agencies obtained insight into Russian intelligence analysis alleging that U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had approved a campaign plan to stir up a scandal against U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump by tying him to Putin and the Russians' hacking of the Democratic National Committee.”

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/09-29-20_Letter%20to%20Sen.%20Graham_Declassification%20of%20FBI%27s%20Crossfire%20Hurricane%20Investigations_20-00912_U_SIGNED-FINAL.pdf

Perhaps you don’t know, or at least won’t mention, that “On 07 September 2016, U.S. intelligence officials forwarded an investigative referral to FBI Director James Comey and Deputy Assistant Director of Counterintelligence Peter Strzok regarding ‘U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's approval of a plan concerning U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering U.S. elections as a means of distracting the public from her use of a private mail server.” Again this was released by DNI Radcliffe, and this info was briefed to Obama himself by CIA director John Brennon. Despite the knowledge, referral, and briefing to the president, no investigation had started as far as we know or.

That sounds suspiciously like the hoax proffered by the press and the anti-Trump brigade, exactly what the FBI fell for, and subsequently tried to cover up—a Clinton campaign ploy to use Russian active measures to injure her political opponent. Yet it went on. It appears to have worked because even now you’re defending it.

So Trump has just well and truly blown up his own campaign again with his dreadful performance at the National Association of Black Journalists in Chicago. (Why did his handlers even let him appear?) All of this nonsense about 'when Harris declared herself to be black', insinuating that this was because it was politically advantageous to do so. Again, a barrage of lies, innuendoes, insults and falsehoods and a huge hit on the GOP attempt to outreach to the Black vote. (Nothing about policy, of course, because with Trump, ego is the sole reality.) The worse the polls get, the more frantic he becomes, and then he makes ever more outrageous statements to attract attention.