When I woke up after a heart surgery, 5 years ago, my memory was completely blank. I didn't know my own name. No memory no thinking, yet I was perfectly conscious. Since that time this happens to me on a daily basis, although my memory does not drop out completely anymore. Without thoughts, I can eat my lunch, make coffee perfectly. When somebode asks something simple, I can answer. But cooking a meal is challenging, because I need to make decisions.
I believe this non-thinking state is similar to what animals experience. Some animals have learned a few words, but as far as I know, they do not have these trains of thoughts like we humans have. I don't think they have words that imply causality, for instance. — Carlo Roosen
I haven't read it, I will. I had no stroke. No diagnosis has been given in my case, except for a conversion syndrome that distorts my left eye on occasion.My Stroke of Insight — I like sushi
further and more detailed accounts of this please — I like sushi
Yes of course I will do everything I can to describe it. The difficulty of course is that language can refer only to shared experiences, and even then only if we use the same labels. I could call it a "religious experience" for instance, but what does that mean for me and for you? — Carlo Roosen
I haven't read it, I will. I had no stroke. No diagnosis has been given in my case, except for a conversion syndrome that distorts my left eye on occasion. — Carlo Roosen
Yes, that's entropy. :fire:Modernsociety is destroying itself. — Carlo Roosen
And a hand cannot grasp itself just like eyes cannot see themselves and a brain cannot perceive itself. Big whup. But thinking often works, that's all we need to know. "Non-thinking" – autopilot – is involuntary therefore easy, whereas thinking (i.e. learning, creating, reflecting) is voluntary and difficult. The contrast is reflectively instructive. Read Daniel Kahneman's Thinking, Fast and Slow.Thinking cannot be understood by more thinking.
You have come to the right place, Carlo, for such delusions of grandeur to be ridiculed. :smirk:Yesterday I wrote that I not only have to build this SHAI to save the world, I also have to get philosophy back on track.
Yes, that's entropy — 180 Proof
Yesterday I wrote that I not only have to build this SHAI to save the world, I also have to get philosophy back on track. Maybe you think I am arrogant. Believe me, I am not. A better description would be that I feel extremely lonely. It feels like I am in a room with 120 people and they all say that the moon is a cube. — Carlo Roosen
Then why is it taking so long? :roll:Super-human artificial intelligence (SHAI) will come. — Carlo Roosen
language can refer only to shared experiences, and even then only if we use the same labels. — Carlo Roosen
why is it taking so long? — jkop
The rate of improvement is enormous. — Carlo Roosen
But to really understand that idea, you must learn to step out of thinking a bit. — Carlo Roosen
You will come to understand, if you have not already, that some people cannot 'think' without words. — I like sushi
When I woke up after a heart surgery, 5 years ago, my memory was completely blank. I didn't know my own name. No memory no thinking, yet I was perfectly conscious. Since that time this happens to me on a daily basis, although my memory does not drop out completely anymore. Without thoughts, I can eat my lunch, make coffee perfectly. When somebode asks something simple, I can answer. But cooking a meal is challenging, because I need to make decisions. — Carlo Roosen
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