Could be. Maybe we're uploadable. — frank
Where's the evidence that the mind is the body? Without assuming that the mind is the body - which is question begging - what evidence is there that the mind is part of the body? — Clearbury
So -- going into the transporter may turn me into light and recreate me on the other side, but my folk belief about the metaphysics of consciousness is that the "I" I'm experiencing now would cease to exist.
In that sense then only one person named Moliere has been on TPF, and the old PF. The ship of Theseus still belongs to Theseus -- but not because of the bits we can name. — Moliere
But OK, please let me know what you think of this baby step. Even if so called concrete things turn out to be other than as they appear, perhaps also evasive, etc. Are they not yet, all of them together, bodies, trees, oceans, and rocks, something physics explores differently than it does the ideas which appear to shape our experiences and are not constructed out of matter. I get that we have dreamed that they might be, but if we are being fair, a thought might require matter to generate it, but once projected and gone, it is gone. Because it never really was. — ENOAH
I think we just don't know enough about the nature of matter in general to say conclusively if there is a difference in kind between our ideas and physics or not. — Manuel
Is it because your body changes slowly, that your consciousness is unified over time? But an abrupt lack of body would obliterate your identity? — frank
Alcohol affects my mind, but that doesn't imply that my mind is alcohol. My brain affects my mind. That doesn't imply my mind is my brain. — Clearbury
Why, without assuming that materialism is true, is that the best explanation? — Clearbury
Why do amputees experience phantom limb? Why does a limb they don't have anymore seem to hurt, and get muscle cramps where there are no muscles to cramp? — punos
I don't know. Why do you think it is? — frank
Your identity is formed in the context of your body, but once it is established, it can theoretically be separated from your physical form. — punos
This may be true, but I don't think we know enough about how consciousness works to make any assertions one way or the other. — frank
But it's entirely conceivable that property dualism exists. — frank
Do you believe that this "phantom identity" is identical with what you call your identity, or is there another identity behind the phantom identity? — punos
If so, then we may be in agreement, but to be sure: what do you think the nature of the mental property is? Is it contingent upon the physical, or can it exist in isolation from the physical? — punos
You'd have to show how this could be possible. That's the problem. And it's far from trivial — Manuel
Somewhere along the line I started thinking of identity as analogous to music. The bass notes are physicality, the middle tones are emotions, and the high notes are the intellect. Themes play out and change over time. — frank
The intellect is the only part that deals with ontology. To the rest of the psyche, everything encountered is real, so "real" is meaningless. — frank
It's a worldview mashup. :grin: — frank
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