↪tim wood I feel your pain, like half of America and about 90% of Australia, I'm vastly dissappointed by the re-election of DJT
— Wayfarer
You may want to think twice about that percentage. — Joshs
Simply make the detection/diagnose of a "post-truth" person and then treat him or her accordingly. Understand that he or she will tell the truth only if it suits his or her objectives and agenda. It just a power game, so get over the stupid fascination about truth and falsehood. The are playing a role and they want to give everything to that role. Assume he or she is pushing an agenda irrelevant of the facts. That's it.Bottom line, the lie itself can become a deadly tool, the liar a deadly danger. Like a virulent cancer. As with cancer, the earlier detected, usually the gentler the cure. Doctors of TPF, your suggestions? — tim wood
Both. Education for the ignorant (which includes all of us), and appropriate penalties for liars. "Appropriate" meaning penalties that will strongly disincentivize lying. — tim wood
Most - I think all - lies are soluble in appropriate analysis. — tim wood
Trump, apparently one of many, is post-truth. His - their - lies should not be, cannot be, accepted. — tim wood
On education, agreed. Let's call that the carrot. Your opinions on the stick?
As to education, I have direct experience with the USA version, indirect with the "British" system. The general verdict seems to be that the British, though not itself perfect, is wa-ay better than the US. Best in my opinion, would be a lot of British, tempered with some American. What do you say? — tim wood
Obama's first or Trump's? Answer! And we can play this game for years, because that is how many lies Trump has told - or forever because he is still lying. And if you repeat and maintain them, then you're a liar as well. Just look at the history. — tim wood
But to the extent that any party controls the better and the worse, which do you think has in the US governed for the worse, since, say, Hoover? — tim wood
Democracy or a Republic works only if the citizens uphold the values. Even in school I remember my philosophy teacher reminding us that there's no limit to what a Parliament can decide: it can jail redheads if it wants as it can change the constitution (with 3/4 majority votes, but still). Even for the US Constitution there have been 27 amendments.Trump was a criminal from his beginnings: imagine how the world would differ if he had simply been jailed for his crimes then.
And that leaves the question of what to do when law fails? — tim wood
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