Sure, if he attacks it will not be nice.But I am 100000 percent sure that Trump will not solve the problems But cause more. — Beebert
Proof?The Nazis loved Romans 13. That is what I talked about. — Beebert
This one:"That's not what you said the first time. So what happened, did you change your mind, or?"
What time? — Beebert
If you Believe that this sick evangelical pastor is right (because he pretends to be christian or what? How biased and dishonest if so), something is seriously wrong. You would like it if Trump started war? Brilliant... You think these statements are smart? My... The question isnt what God has or hasn't endowed people with, you answer to something completely different than the spirit of my post intended to say. The question was: Do you see what Paul 's sentences lead to? What has that to do with God now? "Because God wrote the bible"? Please, not YET... Now regarding fighting evil with force ... Doesnt sound very enlightened does it? I think both Buddha and Jesus would disagree with you. Wasn't it Jesus who said "Do not resist evil"? — Beebert
No that's what you say the most important question is now - I'm not willing to address it here. You certainly didn't think so at the beginning of this discussion.So you decide what discussion we have? I say that we have completely different motives here. To me, the most important question is: Why christianity and not Another religion? — Beebert
If that's what being enlightened means, then I certainly don't want to be enlightened. Do you? I love my wife, so I hate the burglar. You can't have both.You are not enlightened. You are not Christian. You dont love your enemies. You are exactly what Nietzsche blamed Christians for being and that is Why you dislike him. Discussion over. — Beebert
Yeah, the Nietzsche who wrote:You are exactly what Nietzsche blamed Christians for being — Beebert
What belongs to greatness. Who will attain anything great if he does not find in himself the strength and the will to inflict great suffering? Being able to suffer is the least thing; weak women and even slaves often achieve virtuosity in that. But not to perish of internal distress and uncertainty when one inflicts great suffering and hears the cry of the suffering -- that is great, that belongs to greatness
You provide the best answer for yourself:Because you call yourself Christian and blame me because I oppose things in the bible. And you also debate for this methaphysical morality where God will punish evil But you are too blind to see that repaying evil with evil is according to your faith in itself evil. And not Only that : You want not Only to repay evil with evil; You also Hate the evildoer. I am really done now. I dont want to talk to someone with as unsophisticated views as yours. — Beebert
I choke! I choke! A ressentimental hater in the house! Please! Fresh air! Hypocrite... — Beebert
I see nothing in here about dishonesty, sorry.Because you call yourself Christian and blame me because I oppose things in the bible. And you also debate for this methaphysical morality where God will punish evil But you are too blind to see that repaying evil with evil is according to your faith in itself evil. And not Only that : You want not Only to repay evil with evil; You also Hate the evildoer. I am really done now. I dont want to talk to someone with as unsophisticated views as yours. — Beebert
Yes, nowhere in what you cite is there something about "loving" the burglar who is trying to kill my wife. Quite the opposite, there is something about loving my wife and having to protect her even if it means sacrificing myself to do so.Havent you read the Sermon on the Mount? Or even Paul when he tells Christians not to repay evil with evil and hate? The dishonest thing is that you pretend that you are a Christian and love Christ. Nothing else. — Beebert
And even if God predetermined them, He could still hold them responsible so long as they have free will. God predetermined them to have free will too. — Agustino
So do you claim that the Bible teaches that God controls our actions?Except that the idea of one's actions being predetermined contradicts the idea of having free will. The having (as opposed to the use) of faculties (such as free will) being predetermined is a different matter. — Janus
No, YOU haven't understood that correctly.So you once again havent understood the spirit behind the words about loving you enemies etc? Well... I say this for the last time: The discussion is over. — Beebert
Quite the opposite, there is something about loving my wife and having to protect her even if it means sacrificing myself to do so. — Agustino
I'm not claiming anything about the Bible. I was just responding to your statement that appeared to be saying that people's actions could be predetermined by God and yet be freely-willed. If that is not what you were saying then there would be no disagreement. — Janus
In this passage, what I had in mind by God "predetermining" them to something is, if, say, they are born in a certain family, certain time period, etc. - this does give them a set of options that are pre-determined and wouldn't be available for them if they were born in a different place, to different parents, in different times, in different nations, etc. So because God determines the options they have available, in this sense they are predetermined to act in one of those ways.Nope, that's not what it says in those passages. You cannot cite even one single instance of a man doing what he does because God predetermines him to do so. And even if God predetermined them, He could still hold them responsible so long as they have free will. God predetermined them to have free will too. — Agustino
I did actually intend to say this, because there is a sense in which God does predetermine what a man does. By, say, determining the total number of choices I can take into A B C, the choices of D E F G H etc. are excluded because they are not available to me because of my situation, faculties, etc. So in that case, God does predetermine me to do either A or B or C. I didn't mean to say that God would make me do A out of those three, for in that case, I agree with you, that I would have no free will.I took that to mean, in reference to the second sentence: 'even if God did predetermine what a man does" — Janus
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