1) No one can say what is the nature of quanta and energy. It is all subject to interpretation and quanta phenomenon (such as entanglement and noon-locality) had been observed at the molecule level. Thus there are many unknowns regarding the stuff off nature of nature that can only be discussed philosophically.
2) Science had no explanation what's so ever regarding qualia which is pretty much fundamental to human experiential existence.
1) There is no duality in nature. Everything is made of the same stuff with different substantially.
2) Everything is fundamentally mind that grows along a substantiality spectrum starting with quanta, electrons, atoms, molecules, etc.
It is this persistence if memory that we might call a soul.
Physicists can. — Thanatos Sand
Qualia is an abstract human concept; so science need not explain it or even accept it exists. — Thanatos Sand
No, there is no scientific or factual foundation supporting this. — Thanatos Sand
Science had one and only one thing, the Schrodinger equation that provides a probabilistic prediction for the location of the "electron". All interpretations of quanta are metaphysical in nature.
Qualia is the essence of human existence (as opposed to abstract mathematical equations or linguistics) and it is what everyone experiences throughout their lives
That Scientism, the religious belief in science, attempts to corral all of human existence in an "illusion" pretty much puts it in the realm Hinduism, with a similar caste system.
The actually process by which Scientism and Hinduism arrive at the same conclusion is pretty much the same - belief in some supernatural forces (e.g. Natural Laws, Maya) that govern our existence and create this illusion.
There is no scientific evidence for anything relating to the nature of life. It is a metaphysical.
And there is also much evidence for the persistence if memory, i.e. habitual activity in the universe
2) Everything is fundamentally mind that grows along a substantiality spectrum starting with quanta, electrons, atoms, molecules, etc. — Rich
Interesting. Reminds me of Teilhard de Chardin. — Noble Dust
Have you read Teilhard de Chardin? — Noble Dust
Scientists have done a pretty good job explaining matter and energy and explaining how that's all the universe is made of, with dark and anti- matter being material forms. — Thanatos Sand
Do you think the soul exists as a separate entity from our body, do you think personality has to do with the soul, do you think some souls shine brighter than others or can our existence and disposition be chalked down to environment and biology? — Locks
That just necessitates insufficiency of present knowledge, not a supernatural cause. — Thanatos Sand
And since nobody has found the soul in nature or through natural means, it's either supernatural or nonexistent. — Thanatos Sand
It's based on the well-supported assumption it hasn't been found yet in a world that has been well-scanned by near-exhaustive means. — Thanatos Sand
When Moses asks to see who or what he has been conversing with on Mount Sinai, he is placed in a crevice and told to look out once the radiance has passed (no peeking now!). Anything more than a glimpse of God's receding back, the story implies, would blow his mortal fuses. The equivalent passage in Hindu scripture occurs in the Bhagavad Gita – and, as befitting that most frank of all religions, is more explicit about the nature of the fatal vision. Krishna responds to the warrior Arjuna's request by telling him that no man can bear his naked splendour, then goes right ahead and gives him the necessary upgrade: "divine sight". What follows is one of the wildest, most truly psychedelic episodes in world literature.
No longer veiled by a human semblance, Krishna appears in his universal aspect: a boundless, roaring, all-containing cosmos with a billion eyes and mouths, bristling with "heavenly weapons" and ablaze with the light of a thousand suns. The sight is fearsome not only in its manifold strangeness but because its fire is a consuming one. "The flames of thy mouths," a horrified Arjuna cries, "devour all the worlds … how terrible thy splendours burn!"
Until recently, a physicist would have regarded this scene as the picturesque delirium of a pre-scientific age. Most still would. And yet the contemplation of the unspeakable flowering of an infinity of worlds is no longer the province of "mystics, charlatans and cranks", as the leading string theorist Michio Kaku has written, but instead occupies "the finest minds on the planet".
Welcome to the multiverse.
And since nobody has found the soul in nature or through natural means, it's either supernatural or nonexistent. — Thanatos Sand
Aristotle found the soul through natural means, and his entire biology is centred around the existence of the soul. — Metaphysician Undercover
Aristotle's understanding was, as I understand it, more along the lines of 'the unitive principle'; he was not a dualist, in that he didn't believe it made sense to say the soul exists separately from the body. It is more like the person is an 'embodied soul', or 'an ensouled body'. — Wayfarer
. So it is the soul which gives actual existence to the material body, by actualizing what only exists potentially, prior to that actualization. — Metaphysician Undercover
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