A Christian Philosophy         
         
RussellA         
         Counter-Argument against the PSR: Quantum Physics — A Christian Philosophy
ssu         
         
RussellA         
         For any thing that exists or is true, there is a sufficient reason for it to exist or to be true.............................We observe that our reasoning works in 2 ways: deduction and induction — A Christian Philosophy
jgill         
         mathematics (which is logic applied to numbers). — A Christian Philosophy
A Christian Philosophy         
         
A Christian Philosophy         
         Isn't here already the existence of randomness enough? [...] Throw of a dice. This isn't an obstacle for determinism, because if you throw a dice, you will get a dice number. Yet the process is easily and efficiently modeled as the dice number being random (from 1 to 6, if the dice is a cube). — ssu
A Christian Philosophy         
         This is expected because the test of imagination is associated with logic, and the PSR (which includes causality) is not derived from logic.one can imagine an event without a cause. — RussellA
A Christian Philosophy         
         
Clearbury         
         
RussellA         
         Thus, while the uniformity of nature is not known with certainty, it is still known beyond reasonable doubt. — A Christian Philosophy
one can imagine an event without a cause...............This is expected because the test of imagination is associated with logic, and the PSR (which includes causality) is not derived from logic. — A Christian Philosophy
P3 - TrueP1 - I imagine a unicorn in my mind
P2 - I have never seen a unicorn in the world
C1 - Therefore, it is possible that unicorns only exist in my mind
C2 - Therefore, it is possible that unicorns may or may not exist in the world.
The PSR may possibly be proved using logic, even though there is no logical necessity that a fact/event has a reason/cause.P1 - If there can be a fact/event without a reason/cause, then the fact/event could have been other than it is.
P2 - By the Law of Non-Contradiction, a fact/event cannot be other than it is
C1 - Therefore, a fact/event must have a reason/cause
ssu         
         
Philosophim         
         
Fooloso4         
         “For every thing that exists, there is a sufficient reason for it to exist.” — A Christian Philosophy
Count Timothy von Icarus         
         For no being insofar as it is changing is its own ground of being. Every state of a changing being is contingent: it was not a moment ago and will not be a moment from now. Therefore the grasping of a being as changing is the grasping of it as not intelligible in itself-as essentially referred to something other than itself.
Kenneth Gallagher - The Philosophy of Knowledge
LuckyR         
         The outcome “4” exists from “2+2” by logical necessity
T Clark         
         In other words, what exists, exists. Reason is the way we interpret that existence in a way that fits in with a logical framework. As an example: The big bang appeared from nothing. If that is true, then the sufficient reason for that happening is simply a logical framework that accurately leads to this result. — Philosophim
Truth must exist first for reason to matter. — Philosophim
Philosophim         
         I like this. I think it's a useful way of looking at the issue. I hadn't thought of it in these terms before. — T Clark
Truth must exist first for reason to matter.
— Philosophim
Hmmm... I wonder if I agree with this. — T Clark
The mistake is thinking that if one has created a framework that leads to a conclusion through reason alone, that this necessarily makes the conclusion true. Truth must exist first for reason to matter. — Philosophim
Wayfarer         
         What is the reason for thinking that there must be a reason for what is? — Fooloso4
In the pre-modern vision of things, the cosmos had been seen as an inherently purposive structure of diverse but integrally inseparable rational relations — for instance, the Aristotelian aitia, which are conventionally translated as “causes,” but which are nothing like the uniform material “causes” of the mechanistic philosophy. And so the natural order was seen as a reality already akin to intellect. Hence the mind, rather than an anomalous tenant of an alien universe, was instead the most concentrated and luminous expression of nature’s deepest essence. This is why it could pass with such wanton liberty through the “veil of Isis” and ever deeper into nature’s inner mysteries. — David Bentley Hart
Count Timothy von Icarus         
         
A Christian Philosophy         
         They are still the same. In the principle of parsimony, it is reasonable to pick the simplest of 2 explanations that account for all the data because the less simple explanation is superfluous, that is, more than sufficient. Both principles demand that the explanation or reason be just sufficient, not more, not less.I do not see why the principle of sufficient reason is equivalent to the principle of parsimony. They seem like two quite different principles. [...] — Clearbury
I agree that a thing cannot be its own cause, yet a thing can explain itself. A cause is not the only way to explain the existence of a thing, as described in the OP under the section "PSR in Metaphysics". Another way is that the existence of a thing is explained inherently or by its own definition. I.e. if a thing possesses existence as an essential property, then its existence would be explained inherently or by its own definition. And this would fulfill the PSR.For example, imagine I think it is false for I think that if it is true, then some things must explain themselves (for not everything can have a cause external to it - as that generates a regress - and nothing can be the cause of itself, as that's a contradiction). As nothing can explain itself, I conclude that some things exist and have no cause of their existence (and thus that the principle of sufficient reason is false). — Clearbury
A Christian Philosophy         
         P1 - If there can be a fact/event without a reason/cause, then the fact/event could have been other than it is.
P2 - By the Law of Non-Contradiction, a fact/event cannot be other than it is
C1 - Therefore, a fact/event must have a reason/cause
I believe that something has caused us to imagine a unicorn in our mind. Something like the experience of having seen horses and horns in the world, and we put them together in our mind.We can imagine a unicorn in our mind even though there is no unicorn in the world. Does this mean that there is nothing that has caused us to imagine a unicorn in our mind? — RussellA
RussellA         
         By the Law of Non-Contradiction, a fact/event cannot be other than it is at the same time.
Suppose true randomness exists such that event 1 occurs without reason. Still, by the law of non-contradiction, event 1 cannot be something else at the same time. But it still occurred without reason. — A Christian Philosophy
ssu         
         I wouldn't say this.Suppose true randomness exists such that event 1 occurs without reason. — A Christian Philosophy
Fooloso4         
         I don't think it dawned on any philosopher, before the advent of modernity, that the Cosmos - a word meaning 'an ordered whole' - could be anything other than rational. — Wayfarer
(fragment 51)Men do not know how what is at variance agrees with itself. It is an attunement of opposite tension, like that of the bow and the lyre.
(fragment 80)We must know that war is common to all and strife is justice, and that all things come into being and pass away through strife.
(97b-d)One day I heard someone reading, as he said, from a book of Anaxagoras, and saying that it is Mind that directs and is the cause of everything. I was delighted with this cause and it seemed to me good, in a way, that Mind should be the cause of all. I thought that if this were so, the directing Mind would direct everything and arrange each thing in the way that was best. If then one wished to know the cause of each thing, why it comes to be or perishes or exists, one had to find what was the best way for it to be, or to be acted upon, or to act. On these premises then it befitted a man to investigate only, about this and other things, what is best.
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