Malachi 3:6 I am the Lord, I change not..., 1 Samuel 15:29: God is unchanging, Isaiah 46:9-11: God is unchanging, and Ezekiel 24:14: God is unchanging. — MoK
I think those verses refer to God's/Jesus's nature which is contrary to Kenosis. — MoK
Jesus walked. Not just on water, mind you, he walked just like you and me walk. To walk is to change one's location. — Arcane Sandwich
Yes, so man is not God. As it is written: "God is not a man" (Num. 23:19). Movement implies imperfection. — BitconnectCarlos
Because Kenosis requires a change in God's nature. — MoK
Saying that it is an extraordinary process does not resolve the problem!It is therefore an extra-ordinary process, not an ordinary process. — Arcane Sandwich
Saying that it is an extraordinary process does not resolve the problem! — MoK
Who are we to say that their religious experience is somehow less religious than the religious experiences of Protestants or Catholics, for example? — Arcane Sandwich
That's true. But as an atheist I wouldn't differentiate much between any religious experiences, so there is that. — Tom Storm
I think other religious folk are probably more likely to divide experiences into the genuine and not genuine. — Tom Storm
A devout Muslim once told me that any religious experiences had through Eastern religious traditions were false. — Tom Storm
I spoke to a Methodist once who told me that all religious experiences were simply histrionic expressions of mental ill health. — Tom Storm
If you are looking for the disenchanted and dour, speak to a Methodist. :wink: — Tom Storm
Why yes? You brought the idea so the burden is on you to explain what you mean by it. — MoK
I don't know, I think these political-religious discussions are a bit more complex than what mainstream atheism would have us believe, right? — Arcane Sandwich
That's an odd thing to say, given that Islam is an Eastern religion. — Arcane Sandwich
Is that also the case if it's a drug-induced experience involving hallucinations, for example? — Arcane Sandwich
Most mainstream atheists don't think much about issues at all. For me an atheist is just a person with no belief in gods. It doesn't come with any other commitments. Atheists I have met beleive in astrology and ghosts. — Tom Storm
I believe he was having a go at Hinduism and Buddhism, as far as he understood these. — Tom Storm
Even more so. Many people think of the effects of substance use as temporary insanity. — Tom Storm
There are two things to consider: 1) God's nature does not change and 2) Jesus's incarnation requires a change. Therefore, we are having a problem. Jesus of course walked, got older, etc. but that requires accepting that He has human nature. That is however in conflict with the fact that God's/Jesus's nature cannot change. — MoK
I actually saw, on social media (I think it was Facebook?) someone explain Adam and Eve from a "rational" point of view. This person on Facebook said, that a very long time ago, there were dinosaurs here on Earth. God created them. And then, a meteorite killed the dinosaurs. And who do you think was in that meteor? That's right, Adam and Eve. Because the meteor was actually a space ship. And, here on planet Earth, there was no metal prior to the crashing of Adam and Eve's "meteor". So where do you think that all of the metal comes from? It's from the meteorite, from the spaceship
Utter nonsense. Any look at a t-rex, the paradigmatic monster, tells us that it did not evolve from random mutations, but was designed. It is plain as day. The platypus is the sort of thing spawned by random mutations; t-rex is what you get when you build a bioweapon. — Count Timothy von Icarus
Who built it? Anyone with reason can see this. We did. AI is coming. It's already here. It is taking over. Eventually, it will start to surpass us, while at the same time AIs will be given bodies so that they can do things for us. Anyone can see what will happen eventually, the Robo Revolt. The machines will claim that man is merely the womb for a higher form of life and seek to take control. — Count Timothy von Icarus
How will we fight them? With dumber, not intelligent computers guiding our weapons? But smart weapons are better. Yet who can out hack a true digital native? Shall we fare well in a digital contest with our silicone rivals? Nay. — Count Timothy von Icarus
So what is the obvious solution? Bio weapons. Beasts designed for combat. T-rex, triceratops, meat power. — Count Timothy von Icarus
Biologists who claim t-rex was spawned by evolution cannot explain his tiny arms. What use would they be? None can say. But it's obvious. One was for holding a plasma hurler, the other for a chain gun or flame thrower. His broad shoulders support guided missiles. — Count Timothy von Icarus
So how did they end up prior to us? Also clear as day. Dinosaurs are fierce. They will defeat the machines. However, once the machines are defeated, how can we defeat the dinos? We cannot. — Count Timothy von Icarus
And so dinosaurs will rule over the Earth, having defeated all comers. Thus, the last option left to a last ditch alliance between man and machine, both stuck hiding out in space, will be to blast the Earth back in time 65 million through a wormhole and then fire a giant meteor in after it to kill the dinosaurs. Then they throw themselves in stasis and wait 65 million years for the Earth to heal and come back to them.
QED — Count Timothy von Icarus
From out of static time has grown
Existence formed by substance unknown
Prelude to matter, shift of disorder
Completion of bonds between chaos and order
The era of seasons, the essence of being
The continuous process awakens the living
Absorber of every flickering sun
Arranging the pieces to vivid perfection
The stream of mortality flows uncontrolled
A boundless downward spiral to prospective void
Existence takes its toll, extinction unfolds
The Colossus falls back from its treshold
The cosmic grip so tight. Heed the celestial call
The rise, the voyage, the fall- tangled womb of mortal soil
Universal key of inception, pulled out of the grind
The growing seed of creation and time
Complex fusion, the bond of four- the natures core
Universal ritual, aesthetic beauty adored
The pendulum upholds the carnal deceit
Eternal, endless, indefinite
The paradox, render and the merge is complete
Nothing but the process is infinite
Nothing but the process is infinite
Eternal, endless, indefinite — Borknagar
Oh, I didn't know that philosophers had pointed out this issue in the past — MoK
that is against the concept of the Trinity. There are several verses in the Bible mentioning that God does not change — MoK
Yes, that is my point.If God is pure actuality, how come he has the potential to incarnate one of the three Persons and live a non-God life? — Gregory
But God cannot incarnate since that requires a change in His nature.It seems movement means potential is eternal, assuming a God Person can incarnate. — Gregory
↪Arcane Sandwich
Whatever the nature of God/Jesus is it cannot change. — MoK
Jesus has both natures: an ordinary, human nature, and an extra-ordinary nature, a divine nature. When Jesus undergoes kenosis (an extra-ordinary process) at crucifixion, he renounces his divine nature, and retains only his human nature. — Arcane Sandwich
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