Things might exist, unbeknown.Existence is not an existent, from which follows existence belongs to mind alone as a pure conception; existence is given iff there is that mind capable of its deduction, and, that in which such deduction resides. — Mww
What's your view on time? — Corvus
One needs minds in order to have meaning.As The Man says, without the “subjective constitution of our senses in general”, time is meaningless. — Mww
Things might exist, unbeknown. — Banno
Understanding time requires a mind. That does not imply that time requires a mind. That's a step too far. — Banno
What an appalling sentence.Understanding, as a noun representing a specific cognitive faculty, has its function predicated on the conditions of time alone, at the exclusion of space, which logically cannot be given by that which uses it. — Mww
Again, they cannot be said to be in a sequence, but that simply does not imply that they are not in a sequence.All of which makes explicit, the premises for this particular metaphysics being granted, events cannot be said to occur in temporal sequence, which implies experience thereof, unless the relative times of each are measured. — Mww
Not so much. It shows again the step too far, in Kant, in your post and in @Wayfarer's work.Of course, but irrelevant. — Mww
Some intelligible scientists and philosophers already have been talking about nonexistence of time.Which still leaves the inception of time and space into our subjective constitution….assuming of course there is such a thing to begin with…..for which some pure formal metaphysics is required. — Mww
Hume's expression of the vulgars….. — Corvus
Hume was also saying time doesn't exist. Could then time be the quality of ideas of objects perceived by mind in Hume? — Corvus
Interesting point. But think of the old movies shot by 8mm camera with the roll films. The movement in the film is made of each single still image. When the single images are run through the projector with the light, it gives us continuous moving motion. The continuous movement and motion is recreated in our brain by the latent memory. In actuality, they are just single still images running continuously in fast speed in order to recreate the recorded motions.Hume has a mistaken premise, that sense perception consists of a "succession" of distinct perceptions. This is not consistent with experience, which demonstrates that we actually perceive continuous motion and change with our senses. This renders the quoted argument from Hume as unsound. — Metaphysician Undercover
In Hume, what is not captured in impressions and ideas are not real. Time has no matching impressions or ideas. The moment you see the time now, it passes into past. It is ineffable, ever evanescent and fleeting illusive part of human mind.This false premise also produces the conclusion that time is not real, in a way related to how Zeno proved that motion is not real. — Metaphysician Undercover
Then the continuity of movement is left out of the representation, as completely unreal. — Metaphysician Undercover
Things cannot be mere perceptions since there are mental phenomena, thoughts for example, which are consistent. This consistency is because any thought resides on other thoughts, etc. This consistency however requires something that thoughts reside within, what we call the brain, therefore saying that things are mere perception is false!Hume has a mistaken premise, that sense perception consists of a "succession" of distinct perceptions. This is not consistent with experience, which demonstrates that we actually perceive continuous motion and change with our senses. This renders the quoted argument from Hume as unsound. — Metaphysician Undercover
Things cannot be mere perceptions since there are mental phenomena, thoughts for example, which are consistent. This consistency is because any thought resides on other thoughts, etc. This consistency however requires something that thoughts reside within, what we call the brain, therefore saying that things are mere perception is false! — MoK
nteresting point. But think of the old movies shot by 8mm camera with the roll films. The movement in the film is made of each single still image. When the single images are run through the projector with the light, it gives us continuous moving motion. The continuous movement and motion is recreated in our brain by the latent memory. In actuality, they are just single still images running continuously in fast speed in order to recreate the recorded motions.
Hume is seeing our visual perception in the same way. His idea of perception is that we have the single impressions and the matching ideas of perceived objects coming into our senses continuously creating the perception just like the old movies made of 8mm films. — Corvus
At any chance, we can stop the perception, and pick the single impression and ideas to investigate its contents. — Corvus
I think that Hume did not understand the conscious mind and the subconscious mind. The conscious mind mostly perceives things but it is the main source for the generation of thoughts. These thoughts then are stored in the subconscious mind for further analysis in the future. It is through the constant exchange of thought between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind that we can develop consistent thoughts, whether a thought is true or not is the subject of investigation of the conscious mind.But if you don't trust your own perception, then where does your knowledge come from? — Corvus
It is based on the collaboration between my conscious and subconscious mind. And it is not blind faith!Is your knowledge based on your imagination and blind faith? — Corvus
Conscious or subconscious mind is actually psychological concepts. They are irrelevant to knowledge or reasoning. So Hume was right not to say a lot about them.I think that Hume did not understand the conscious mind and the subconscious mind. — MoK
Conscious or subconscious mind means the degree of being awake from sleep. They don't provide you with any knowledge at all.It is based on the collaboration between my conscious and subconscious mind. And it is not blind faith! — MoK
The point though, is that sense perception is as a continuous movement. So, when Hume represents it as a succession of still frames, he already applies the conceptualized version of motion, across this gap of inconsistency, to represent sense perception in a way which is not true. In doing this, the reality of time is lost to him. — Metaphysician Undercover
Yes, they are concepts but these concepts are based on extensive study of the brain. Why do you stick to the idea of perception when I already refute it? Why don't you study a little psychology? It is necessary when it comes to time!Conscious or subconscious mind is actually psychological concepts. — Corvus
They are very relevant to knowledge and reasoning. People with Alzheimer cannot function well, cannot think, and cannot recall memories because a part of their brain is damaged.They are irrelevant to knowledge or reasoning. — Corvus
He couldn't possibly say a lot about them since there was no knowledge of them in his time. He was false! Therefore, you are false.So Hume was right not to say a lot about them. — Corvus
Why don't you study a little bit of psychology so you can back up your thoughts? You deny physics, psychology, and science! All things you know are outdated knowledge which is false.Conscious or subconscious mind means the degree of being awake from sleep. They don't provide you with any knowledge at all. — Corvus
Why don't you study a little bit of psychology so you can back up your thoughts? You deny physics, psychology, and science! All things you know are outdated knowledge which is false. — MoK
He couldn't possibly say a lot about them since there was no knowledge of them in his time. He was false! Therefore, you are false. — MoK
Yes, they are concepts but these concepts are based on extensive study of the brain. Why do you stick to the idea of perception when I already refute it? Why don't you study a little psychology? It is necessary when it comes to time! — MoK
So do you think that things like electrons, quarks, subconscious minds, conscious minds, etc. are real?It wasn't denying. — Corvus
Philosophy and science go hand in hand without science you cannot do good philosophy and vice versa.It was just a clarification saying , that they are irrelevant to philosophical debates. — Corvus
You cannot do proper philosophy without a good science and vice versa!Because you are mixing psychology and physics in philosophical debates in random and chaotic fashion, it seems to be creating confusion and illusion in your mind. Hume was not false. — Corvus
Hume was false. He was an intelligent philosopher though. I am sure he would deny his philosophy if he was alive now.Hume was not false. Hume was intelligible and sensible. — Corvus
The subconscious mind does not sleep at all. That is the conscious mind that sleeps.If your knowledge is based on your conscious and subconscious mind just woke up from sleep, no doubt that you are in full of confusion and illusions. — Corvus
Where is your perception when you are asleep? Why does your perception start to work when you are awake? How could you do reasoning if reasoning per se is a form of perception?You must rely on your perception and reasoning for your knowledge. — Corvus
We know them, and use them. But to say they are real can be problem in logical sense. You need to make clear in what sense "real" is real. Philosophy doesn't deny them. But it is trying to make sure in what sense you are using the concepts, and whether they make sense when used in the arguments.So do you think that things like electrons, quarks, subconscious minds, conscious minds, etc. are real? — MoK
No. They are not in the same level. Philosophy inspects and analyze the misuses of the concepts and imaginary ideas of science, hence philosophy makes science more robust in logic and theory.Philosophy and science go hand in hand without science you cannot do good philosophy and vice versa. — MoK
Science needs philosophy. Philosophy doesn't need science. No philosophers will go out in the white gown, and conduct experiments and tests and measurements. They just read, think and speculate for analysis and reasoning pursuing truths on the universe.You cannot do proper philosophy without a good science and vice versa! — MoK
Hume is one of the most important philosophers in western philosophy. To say Hume is false is like saying, philosophy is false and all knowledge is false. Nonsense.Hume was false. He was an intelligent philosopher though. I am sure he would deny his philosophy if he was alive now. — MoK
The conscious mind means that you woke from sleep. Subconscious mind means that you have a part of mind which sleep all the time, but you think it doesn't.The subconscious mind does not sleep at all. That is the conscious mind that sleeps. — MoK
Perception only happens when you are fully awake and alert. All your knowledge on the universe comes via perception. Perception is also backed by reasoning and logic. Without perception, you don't have knowledge.Where is your perception when you are asleep? Why does your perception start to work when you are awake? How could you do reasoning if reasoning per se is a form of perception? — MoK
They exist so in this sense they are real.We know them, and use them. But to say they are real can be problem in logical sense. You need to make clear in what sense "real" is real. Philosophy doesn't deny them. But it is trying to make sure in what sense you are using the concepts, and whether they make sense when used in the arguments.
You seem to be emotionally defending them as if they were denied. No. Nothing is denied. — Corvus
I didn't say they are on the same level!No. They are not in the same level. Philosophy inspects and analyze the misuses of the concepts and imaginary ideas of science, hence philosophy makes science more robust in logic and theory.
They are not friends or lovers. Philosophy is higher level authority in the ladder if you will. — Corvus
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