Or eaten by a polar bear. That would be the story for the MAGA conspiracy theorists.

This is such a stupid take. Hillary Clinton sent classified information through her private email server, and she was found to have destroyed much of it, even using hammers on the devices. The two events are not even close.

In any case, the full release of Goldberg’s messages actually make the staff look pretty good, in my view. I was worried that Goldberg might not be lying this time, that there could possibly be “war plans” and the name of a CIA operative, both of which turned out to be false. But JD’s questions about why we are again subsidizing European defense makes me happy to see. Let the EU protect their own shipping lanes. The children there need to learn to stand on their own feet. It reminds me of the Schwarzkopf line “Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.”.

Gave me a good chuckle

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I was worried that Goldberg might not be lying this time, — NOS4A2

Ok, when did Goldberg ever lie? The neat thing about calling the lie is that categorically someone is lying. It's either you or him. Make your case!

It reminds me of the Schwarzkopf line “Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.”. — NOS4A2

Incorrect. Don't trust some stupid "Brainyquote" to get things right, NOS4A2:

Whenever the U.S. favors military action that France opposes (such as the disagreement in April 1986 that saw France denying U.S. F-111's overfly permission on their way to a bombing mission against Libya), jokes and sardonic comments about the prowess and fortitude of the French military inevitably ratchet up several levels in the American media. Hence the latest pithy anti-French quote making the rounds, this one emphasizing American frustration with France and expressing the attitude that having French support in military ventures is ineffective and irrelevant — "going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion."

These words were spoken by Jed Babbin, a former deputy undersecretary of defense in the first Bush administration, during a 30 January 2003 appearance on the political talk show Hardball. The full comment (offered during the course of a discussion about differences between U.S. and European policy towards Iraq) was: " . . . you know frankly, going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. You just leave a lot of useless noisy baggage behind."

(See here)

It wasn't Schwarzkopf, it was a puny undersecretary pushing the war that even Trump hates now, the invasion of Iraq.

This just reminds me that general Schwarzkopf actually had a full division from the French army that he went to war with. The French division "Daguet" secured the flank of the 82nd Airborne Division and of the whole combined army group:




But for people like you, @NOS4A2, one of the greatest American battlefield victories with least losses that the US ever suffered, the fact that it had French, British, Egyptian, Syrian, Saudi, Gulf State units fighting alongside Americans doesn't matter. All fucking parasites for you! So keep on hoping to destroy all the alliances that made the US actually great. Putin will be happy.

Here's the talking head, a Republican of course, that you referred to:

Or eaten by a polar bear. That would be the story for the MAGA conspiracy theorists. — ssu

A swimming polar bear who adapted to the changing climate... just let it happen, please dear indifferent reality we exist in, let us laugh for once!

Schwarzkopf line “Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.”. — NOS4A2

Don't know the context. Usually the criticism of French militarism is based on WW2. But the problem with that is that the critics are either completely ignorant of realities of the time, or deliberately overlook it for vicious reasons.

IN 1940, France was basically a rural society of about 40M people. Against them was a highly industrialized, rearmed, and hostile Germany of almost 90M. In other words, no contest. During the war, French resistance was about as effective and courageous as it could be.

NOS got it wrong, it wasn't general Schwarzkopf, as I've explained. It was when the French didn't go along with the Iraqi invasion of 2003 with Dubya Bush.

That was the time that "French Fries" were to be called "Freedom Fries" and when the French were "Cheese eating surrender monkeys", a quote from the Simpsons.

Clearly you read it. Why did you deliberately leave the rest out?

“Of course I didn’t see this loser in the group. It looked like someone else. Whether he did it deliberately or it happened in some other technical mean is something we’re trying to figure out.” — NOS4A2

Waltz' childish attack on Goldberg has zero bearing on the serious error Waltz committed. It just shows how dishonorable he is. He ought to be grateful that Goldberg didn't publish what he'd learned. Imagine if Goldberg had published this (allegedly) unclassified information immediately.

Your irrational loyalty to the Trump administration is truly pathetic. You were unwilling to believe Waltz even committed the error and jumped to the conclusion (without evidence) that it was the "deep state". Waltz played you, and you don't even realize it: he's deflected your attention from his error to the irrelevant fact that the recipient is a liberal.

This is the least populated state in the US, Wyoming:



You can see why we're so desperate to have Greenland. It's too crowded here!

NOS got it wrong.... — ssu

Maybe he did. Or he may have known the truth. I think the truth of the matter with nos4 is that truth does not matter to him. I've tried to call him on his lies, but when pressed he just disappears. We'll see how he does this time.

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Trump learned about about the Signal screw-up on Monday afternoon, when a reporter told him.

Reporter (audio voiceover): Your reaction to the story from The Atlantic that said that some of your top Cabinet officials and aides had been discussing very sensitive material through Signal and they included in an Atlantic reporter for that? What is your response to that?

Donald Trump (audio voiceover): I don’t know anything about it. I’m not a big fan of The Atlantic. To me, it’s a magazine that’s going out of business. I think it’s not much of a magazine. But I know nothing about it. You’re saying that they had what?

Reporter (audio voiceover): They were using Signal to coordinate on sensitive materials—

Trump (audio voiceover): Having to do with what? Having to do with what? What were they talking about?

Reporter (audio voiceover): —with the Houthis.

Trump (audio voiceover): The Houthis, you mean the attack on the Houthis?

Reporter (audio voiceover): That’s correct.

Trump (audio voiceover): Well, it couldn’t have been very effective because the attack was very effective, I can tell you that. I don’t know anything about it. You’re telling me about it for the first time.

How could he have been unaware? Because he appointed incompetent people to important posts.

Or for once you can stop giving a shit what he thinks or says.

Thanks for the correction. But unlike you I’m not appealing to the authority, only the humor of the statement.

Waltz' childish attack on Goldberg has zero bearing on the serious error Waltz committed. It just shows how dishonorable he is. He ought to be grateful that Goldberg didn't publish what he'd learned. Imagine if Goldberg had published this (allegedly) unclassified information immediately.

Your irrational loyalty to the Trump administration is truly pathetic. You were unwilling to believe Waltz even committed the error and jumped to the conclusion (without evidence) that it was the "deep state". Waltz played you, and you don't even realize it: he's deflected your attention from his error to the irrelevant fact that the recipient is a liberal.

No, I’m willing to believe it, now that the evidence is clear that Walz’s account added him. Now the question is how Jeffry Goldberg was added to Waltz’s contact list, and subsequently the chat.

Goldberg isn’t a liberal. He’s neocon. He was a cheerleader of the Iraq war, and was the one who came up with the “sucker and losers” hoax. Rather than remove himself from the situation or notify other members of the error, he surreptitiously took screenshots and used them to embarrass all involved.

Now the question is how Jeffry Goldberg was added to Waltz’s contact list, and subsequently the chat. — NOS4A2

Indeed. That has nothing to do with the motives you assign to Goldberg.

You can see why we're so desperate to have Greenland. It's too crowded here! — frank

What he said in his inaugral speech is something that he wants to do. He wants to enlarge the territory of the US. That's it. Let's really think about this. Because with Canada and Greenland the US WOULD BE THE LARGEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. The new US would surpass Russia in size. Heck, only Greenland is bigger than Mexico.

This is the delusional and sick ideas that a person for whom power has gone to the head can dream about. It has NOTHING to do with security or 4D Chess. In the international order based system territorial sovereignty is one of the most sacrosanct issues, but if people want independence, it can be accepted. And naturally in the case of Greenland, former national security advisor John Bolton, who actually had to look at this when he was in the first Trump administration, stated the obvious: Greenland would become independent (that's what the Greenlanders want) and the US would protect Greenland.

But this isn't what Trump wants. Trump genuinely wants the territory of the US to be larger.

The absolute insanity of this can be seen that the Republican party is AGAINST having Puerto Rico as the 51st state or giving the people Washington DC a vote because they fear how Puerto Ricans and people of Capital would vote! Well, what about 40 million Canadians, who don't want to be part of the US?

And if we put aside the Greenlanders, the Panamians and the 40 million Canadians, who in the hell in the US wants this? Who voted for Trump to have this? This is the total insanity here. Russians have been prepared again and again for supporting the imperial aspirations, but the US? Really? Right from the start, the whole issue with the Philippines created criticism.

What is wrong is in this World is that we understand that when it comes to Canada, Trump is hallucinating, but when it comes to Panama, that is something the US could really do. There is the historical example, and we wouldn't be so outraged in our cynicism if Trump did invade the country, unfortunately.

This is the delusional and sick ideas that a person for whom power has gone to the head can dream about. — ssu

I think you need to focus on something else for a while.

Indeed. That has nothing to do with the motives you assign to Goldberg

But his embellishments about war plans and lies about CIA operatives do.

Are you saying the reason he was included in that group chat has something to do with what he has said in the past?

And how about the lies that there wasn't anything top secret said in the messaging?

Now we all can be a judge about that:

(Atlantic) At 11:44 a.m. eastern time, Hegseth posted in the chat, in all caps, “TEAM UPDATE:” The text beneath this began, “TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch.” Centcom, or Central Command, is the military’s combatant command for the Middle East. The Hegseth text continues:

“1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)”
“1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)”

The Hegseth text then continued:

“1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)”
“1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets)”
“1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.”
“MORE TO FOLLOW (per timeline)”
“We are currently clean on OPSEC”—that is, operational security.
“Godspeed to our Warriors.”
Shortly after, Vice President J. D. Vance texted the group, “I will say a prayer for victory.”

No, sorry, telling even half an hour when you launch the aircraft is by all means crucial secret information. If intercepted, you do have time to people to take shelter, disperse, bring on the air defenses. And then people like Tulsi Gabbard deny everything.

I think you need to focus on something else for a while. — frank

That Canada would join the US? Or annexed to become one state of the US? That wouldn't be delusional? Or NATO might be crumbling down?

Well, actually there's a nice talk about infinities going on the ordinary PF site, where I'm participating. Yes, mathematics and the philosophy of mathematics is one of my favorites.

No, sorry, telling even half an hour when you launch the aircraft is by all means crucial secret information. If intercepted, you do have time to people to take shelter, disperse, bring on the air defenses. And then people like Tulsi Gabbard deny everything.

None of that happened though, and I doubt this sort of leak or the use of the Signal app will continue given these concerns.

None of that happened though, and I doubt this sort of leak or the use of the Signal app will continue given these concerns. — NOS4A2

One would hope that.

But even if Hillary Clinton didn't send similar information, still, I think this all just shows the utter disrespect of the political leaders towards the military and the intelligence services, who for a reason take these issues dead seriously.

Fair enough, but these people are all former military. Unlike Lloyd Austin, Blinken, and Milley and their efforts in Afghanistan, leading to the death of soldiers, they took full responsibility for the debacle.

Rather than remove himself from the situation or notify other members of the error, he surreptitiously took screenshots and used them to embarrass all involved — NOS4A2

You're inconsistent. In the past, you supported the release of newswothy information:

I do think it’s appropriate because it’s newsworthy. The duty of a journalist is to publish it. — NOS4A2

Regarding embarrassment: the officials committed the embarassing behavior. Goldberg was doing his job reporting it.

Fair enough, but these people are all former military — NOS4A2

Again, nope.

Marco Rubio hasn't served.
Steve Witkoff hasn't served.
John Rattcliffe hasn't served.

And we heard from the DNI Tulsi Gabbard that no classified information was discussed. And then this:



So that you think is taking full responsibility?

As for the 'bottom-feeding' Atlantic magazine, and it's 'scumbag' Editor Jeffrey Goldberg, here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry on The Atlantic Monthly. Take note of the names amongst the founders.

The Atlantic is an American magazine and multi-platform publisher based in Washington, D.C. It features articles on politics, foreign affairs, business and the economy, culture and the arts, technology, and science.

It was founded in 1857 in Boston as The Atlantic Monthly, a literary and cultural magazine that published leading writers' commentary on education, the abolition of slavery, and other major political issues of that time. Its founders included Francis H. Underwood[3][4] and prominent writers Ralph Waldo Emerson, Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr., Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Harriet Beecher Stowe, and John Greenleaf Whittier.[5][6] James Russell Lowell was its first editor.[7] During the 19th and 20th centuries, the magazine also published the annual The Atlantic Monthly Almanac.[8] The magazine was purchased in 1999 by businessman David G. Bradley, who fashioned it into a general editorial magazine primarily aimed at serious national readers and "thought leaders"; in 2017, he sold a majority interest in the publication to Laurene Powell Jobs's Emerson Collective.[9][10][11]

The magazine was published monthly until 2001, when 11 issues were produced; since 2003, it has published 10 per year. It dropped "Monthly" from the cover with the January/February 2004 issue, and officially changed the name in 2007.[12] In 2024, it announced that it will resume publishing monthly issues in 2025.[13][14]

In 2016, the periodical was named Magazine of the Year by the American Society of Magazine Editors.[15] In 2022, its writers won Pulitzer Prizes for feature writing and, in 2022, 2023, and 2024 The Atlantic won the award for general excellence by the American Society of Magazine Editors. In 2024, it was reported that the magazine had crossed one million subscribers[13] and become profitable, three years after losing $20 million in a single year and laying off 17% of its staff.

As of 2024, the website's executive editor is Adrienne LaFrance, the editor-in-chief is Jeffrey Goldberg, and the CEO is Nicholas Thompson.

Speaking of 'scumbag journalism', recall that Pete Hegseth used to be a part-time presenter on Fox News, where he used to declaim loudly that Hilary ought to be jailed for using a non-sanctioned server for official communications.

Folks interacting with nos4 should understand he is a liar and a troll. He is a waste of time and effort.

He is a waste of time and effort. — tim wood

beats me why there are so many replies. They're pretty easy to starve.

So, you think the Signal cock up couldn’t get worse? Now, Der Speigel reports:

Donald Trump's most important security advisers used Signal to discuss an imminent military strike. Now, reporting by DER SPIEGEL has found that the contact data of some of those officials, including mobile phone numbers, is freely accessible on the internet.

Private contact details of the most important security advisers to U.S. President Donald Trump can be found on the internet. DER SPIEGEL reporters were able to find mobile phone numbers, email addresses and even some passwords belonging to the top officials.

To do so, the reporters used commercial people search engines along with hacked customer data that has been published on the web. Those affected by the leaks include National Security Adviser Mike Waltz, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth.

Most of these numbers and email addresses are apparently still in use, with some of them linked to profiles on social media platforms like Instagram and LinkedIn. They were used to create Dropbox accounts and profiles in apps that track running data. There are also WhatsApp profiles for the respective phone numbers and even Signal accounts in some cases.

Where’s that popcorn emoji when we need it?

What's going on here?

Turkish student at Tufts University detained, video shows masked people handcuffing her
^{— Jake Offenhartz, Kathy McCormack, Michael Casey · AP · Mar 26, 2025}

ICE is above the courts?

Not the first such story. I don't fear so much for her (physical) safety at the moment, yet if symptomatic, this backsliding doesn't bode well. By the way, so much for free speech that the current administration has berated others about. Trust erosion. At least the press isn't outlawed when reporting this.

The arresting officers ultimately report to Lyons (ICE), who reports to Noem (Homeland Security), who reports to Trump. Who's above the courts here, if anyone?