The Big Bang seems based on the material principle of inference, so I was trying to seek materially based inferences (the explosion and bouncy castle scenarios) of the possible causes for the BB, but couldn't quite come up with a reasonable understanding in both cases. — Corvus
If one is not religious or does not believe in the Gods, one obviously need not worship or pray to them.
What a bizarre claim!! — baker
The problem appears to be the same as with some other religious martyrs.
If someone is so sure that things are exactly as they should be and that nothing happens without God's will -- then what exactly is going on?? — baker
Viewing him as a martyr makes sense of his trial and death sentence. — baker
I went down yesterday to the Peiraeus with Glaucon, the son of Ariston, to pay my devotions to the Goddess, and also because I wished to see how they would conduct the festival since this was its inauguration (Rep. 327a)
In September 1949, at one of the periodic meetings of the Allied Occupation Powers in West Germany (Dean Acheson, Ernest Bevin and Robert Schuman), Acheson put a gun to Schuman’s head, asking him to outline a common policy for West Germany at the next Foreign Ministers’ meeting with the implication that, if Schuman did not, the US would have to define a policy with or without the French
Foreign Relations of the United States, 1949, Council of Foreign Ministers, Sept. 13With respect to German participation in international organizations, this problem will no doubt arise early in the Political Affairs Committee, where the French may be the most difficult obstacle. Therefore, any information on Schuman’s attitude would be useful to us
Foreign Relations of the United States, 1949, Council of Foreign Ministers, Oct. 22As for US policy, it must be directed towards pressing for the acceptance of Germany into the European Councils. We must put pressure on the French to let the Germans come in on a dignified basis…
Letter from Dean Acheson to Robert Schuman (30 October 1949) - CVCE WebsiteThese difficult problems involve direct and indirect interests of our own, and in most of them we have grown accustomed in the past four years to making decisions for the Germans …
Secretary of State Acheson Lays Out American Foreign Policy in BerlinThe American, British, and French high commissioners this morning had three hours of secret negotiations with Chancellor Konrad Adenauer; negotiations ordered by the conference of foreign ministers in Paris which eventually will reveal West Germany's new place in the European community of nations.
Foreign Affairs: 20 Nov 1951: House of Commons debatesWe have also the fact that all through these years gradually we have drawn Germany—this greater part of Germany—into the Western orbit. We have drawn this part of Germany into the Schuman Plan, and into every sort and kind of contact—political, economic, literary, cultural of every sort and kind.
I think culture is heading for a post-secular future, where the bleak materialism of the modern period is simply one cultural form, and an impoverished one at that. — Wayfarer
He is certainly not avoiding persecution by not going into exile, which would have been a way of avoiding it. But can we say Socrates is not hiding something? — Leghorn
That would have looked like a scene in Harry Potter. :) — Corvus
it may have been a whimper rather than a bang to misquote TS Elliot. — Tom Storm
So why was it condensed at first place? What was the nature of the condensed matter? — Corvus
Big Bang is a misleading appellation. — Tom Storm
"That black guy just shot a man. This justifies shooting all black people"
This is the logic you're employing for animals and plants — khaled
I presume that, if I undertook the same training and viewed the same research, then I would probably arrive at the same conclusion. — Wayfarer
There is voluminous evidence, but if you’d rather believe some anon poster on an internet forum then that probably won’t make any difference. — Wayfarer
That's not something the plants are doing, humans are to blame. — TheMadFool
Oddly, those who need no evidence to be convinced that god created the world seek evidence here. — Banno
its just that some people believe that's how the universe got started. — HardWorker
And besides space is a vacuum so you can't hear anything. — HardWorker
I want the discussion, if one unfolds, to be on veganism and/or the tit-for-tat principle - — TheMadFool
Huge tracts of the forests in South America have been lost at the hands of the expanding soya industry. People protecting the forest, including Indigenous Peoples and local activists, have been intimidated, attacked and even killed.
But I guess this will not fix the big dilemma of their inclusion in society and works. — javi2541997
Well, this is why people quit philosophy, no? — baker
But there is still an issue of power. Defining what is real for another person is an act of power.
It's not possible to do away with issues of power in interpersonal interactions of any kind, not even in philosophy. — baker
Note how our notion of truth probably entails some kind of relating to others, however "thinking for ourselves" we might otherwise believe ourselves to be. — baker
And therefore did Socrates deservedly execrate the man who first drew a distinction between the law of nature and the law of morals, for he justly conceived that this error is the source of most human vices (1.33).
—I think we should seek the boundaries which Socrates has laid down in relation to this question, and abide by them (1.56).
For I have never found water much colder than this, although I have seen a great number of rivers;—and I can hardly bear my foot in it when I wish to do what Socrates did in Plato’s Phædrus (2.6)
“Which one can you name of the divinities in heaven as the author and cause of this, whose light makes our vision see best and visible things to be seen?” “Why, the one that you too and other people mean for your question evidently refers to the Sun.” “Is not this, then, the relation of vision to that divinity?” (Rep 508a).
“This [the Sun], then, you must understand that I meant by the offspring of the Good which the Good begot to stand in a proportion with itself: as the Good is in the intelligible region to reason and the objects of reason, so is this [the Sun] in the visible world to vision and the objects of vision.” (Rep 508b - c ).
We find something which is almost explicitly called the theology in the second book of the Republic
Contemplation in summer distinguished from winter. What could that possibly mean? That theme is known to those of you who have read Cicero’s Republic and Laws. Cicero’s Republic is a dialogue in winter, where they seek the sun, and the Laws is a dialogue in summer, where they seek the shade. Socrates seeks the sun in summer, when it is hardest to bear; he seeks the light of the sun at its strongest. In accordance with that he prays to the sun at the end. Let us not forget that the sun is a cosmic god (p. 277)
Your version of Plato turns the distinctions Plato is making into a meaningless puree of theological goo. — Valentinus
Religion is about belief (pistis) which is OK in the lower stages, but by definition, Platonism goes beyond religion or belief to the stages of reason (dianoia) and inner vision (noesis). — Apollodorus
However, if we encounter Gods or other metaphysical entities on our way to the highest, we will know this as and when it happens. So, we need not be overly concerned with the Gods. — Apollodorus
I must say I wrestle with this one but it doesn't keep me up at night. I inhabit the quotidian. — Tom Storm
Not believing you does not make me a liar. — Fooloso4
I assume in each case some principle which I consider strongest, and whatever seems to me to agree with this, whether relating to cause or to anything else, I regard as true, and whatever disagrees with it, as untrue (Phaedo 100a)
Who fucking made you in charge of assigning identities instead of letting people decide for themselves who they are or what they think? — Valentinus
You share the same anti-Platonist (and anti-Christian) commitment. — Apollodorus
Bullshit! You searched for statements by and about Strauss so that you could argue against them, found excerpts online, and quote them out of context. — Fooloso4
Cicero's Republic is a dialogue in winter, where they seek the sun, and the Laws is a dialogue in summer, where they seek the shade. Socrates seeks the sun in summer, when it is hardest to bear; he seeks the light of the sun at its strongest. In accordance with that he prays to the sun at the end. Let us not forget that the sun is a cosmic god (p. 277)