I'm OK too with that. Fear has to do with the future and the unknown (as we say "fear of the unknown"). Terror is fear too, only it is more intense. Likewise with horror. But terror and horror are not exactly the same. E.g. horror can also cause disgust (as in horror films). But the essential and common element in both terror and fear is intense fear, so they reflect about the same thing. So, in no way are they oppositeI am ok with the difference being that 'terror' is anticipatory — universeness
I don't think it is difficult to define and understand what freedom is.I understand your point, but it is complex to answer those questions. This is due to the individualistic sense of freedom we all have. — javi2541997
“Terror and horror are so far opposite, that the first expands the soul, and awakens the faculties to a high degree of life; the other contracts, freezes, and nearly annihilates them.”
(Ann Radcliffe) — universeness
No problem. I did. Thanks for the notice.Sorry, I can't edit posts from my smartphone, so please dismiss the above post due to wrong tags. — baker
I don't think this is a popular viewpoint among all people. But it must be certainly popular among criminals, fascists, bullies and in general by irrational and insane people.It seems that in popular parlance the concept of "survival of the fittest" is used as a heuristic for identifying the right course of action, the moral course of action, and to justify it. "Those who survive are doing things right". — baker
Likewise. In whatever way you look at it, it's a sick viewpoint and/or interpretation.In practical examples, this also means that someone who commits a crime but manages not to get caught by the justice system is "doing the right thing". — baker
I know what you mean. Only that I cannot think of any such case, I mean where people have died --certainly not on a large scale-- because of lack of resources, those being water, oil, electric power or other public utility services. But maybe you have some examples.The idea as I understand it is that it is the competition for survival, so they don't all survive. It is not necessarily competition directly against the others as in fighting to the death, but competition for resources. Those who gain the resources survive and those who cannot die. — Janus
I already talked about that. (Re: Nazis)What "bad effect"? — Janus
Yes, I know about this. But, if I'm not mistaken, it is a circular statement: I have to survive in order to reproduce, but at the same time, in order to survive I have to reproduce. ("I" of course extending to my family (as genealogy), my group, my country, my race, etc.)I see that part of Darwin's theory as being pretty much tautologous: it amounts to "those who can survive do and are more likely to reproduce than those who cannot survive." — Janus
Yes, it can also have this meaning and maybe other meanings too. Only that it's a failed interpretation, because in a competition they all survive, not only the fittest one. The fittest one is simply in a better condition than the rest. In a track field race, the fastest one wins and takes the golden medal, but the 2nd and 3d ones also win. And in a Marathon, everyone who finishes wins; the first one is simply the best."Survival of the fittest" has come to imply competition — Janus
This is true too. But as with competion, I'm afraid that these interpretations are only attempts to moderate the bad effect that Darwin's (controversial) theory has.I also tend to think that when it comes to social animals "fittest" applies to groups more significantly than it does to individuals — Janus
:up:Writing "absolute" in front of "nothing" only serves to obfuscate. — Banno
Mainly because you wouldn't be able to talk about nothing if there weren'r something.Why is there something rather than nothing? — Ø implies everything
I don't remember having ever heard talking about "absolute" nothingness. When we say "nothingness" it's simply nothingness. As you say, nothingness is absence of everyting. That's all there is to it.one must contemplate absolute nothingness — Ø implies everything
Of course. But "absolute nothingness" is mainly a pleonasm, it is redundant, as I explained above.This "concept" is often deemed oxymoronic. For something to exist/be true, it must be a thing. If absolute nothingness is a thing, it would entail its own non-existence — Ø implies everything
You are not wrong. And I think you do have a clue, and a correct one. @PL Olcott is simply confused. Besides being rude.But maybe I am wrong, and I don't have a clue about what is going on. :smile: — javi2541997
Well, depending on the question-statement, I would rather say ambiguous or circular or self-contradictory or --if it refers to an argument-- a fallacious argument.When the solution set is restricted to {yes, no} and no element of this solution set is a correct answer from Carol then the question posed to Carol is incorrect. — PL Olcott
No, it is wrong to say that a question has a correct answer. It is wrong even to say that a question has any answer at all. A question is asked by a person and is addressed to anor person or persons in order to receive, to be given an answer. And then, the answer does not go to the question, it does not become a property of the question; it goes to whom asked the question."Is the living mammal of an elephant any type of fifteen story office building?"
has the correct answer of "no". — PL Olcott
This is a known self-contraditory statement. It cannot be answered (with "true" or "false"). That's all.Is the following sentence true or false: "This sentence is not true."
has no correct answer from the set of {true, false}. — PL Olcott
I appreciate this. I hope I have contributed in some way,My purpose of being here is to get feedback so that I can make my words clear enough so that they can be understood as correct. — PL Olcott
I wouldn't state it like that myself, but I agree. :smile:When a decision problem decider/input pair lacks a correct Boolean return value from this decider then this decision problem instance is semantically unsound. — PL Olcott
I assume of course that "who" refers to a person. But does a person have a context?Linguistics understands that the context of who is asked a question does change the meaning of some questions ... When the context of who is asked a question determines ... — PL Olcott
1) A question cannot have a correct answer. What can be correct is the answer given to that question. So maybe you mean that the question can receive a correct answer?When the context of who is asked a question determines whether or not a question has a correct answer then this context can never be correctly ignored. — PL Olcott
Certainly. But it was the fault of @noAxioms, who has included different replies to and quotes from different people in a single message ...I think I'm the one you mean to be speaking to lol. — Jerry
It is ineed contentious. It tastes like a soup with different vegetables mixed with meat. Good for meat-eaters but not for vegetarians. :smile:This world can be likened to something of a formal system, which I liken to our universe. This is contentious; — Jerry
What would be a "possible world"? I have in mind one but I don't know what you have in mind. See here's a classic case where an example is needed! Just a "possible world" for me means nothing.[Re: space, time, particles, energy, matter, etc. all related and obeying certain laws] I would say none of these features of the world, despite their supposed indispensability, are necessary in any possible world. — Jerry
Alright, but can the same laws apply to the vegetables as well as to the meat?The only thing that is necessary are that there are laws that determine how things work. — Jerry
OK, this follows the same line of thinking. (Re: "everything"]Free will comes in because even this sort of hypothetical world seems deterministic, because everything obeys the laws — Jerry
Well, can the physical world have free will? If yes, in what sense? If no, then it will always be deterministic --which it is-- so what's the point to hypothetize any kind of (different) world?You say the physical world of course doesn't have free will.
This is what I'm trying to ascertain. — Jerry
OK. But again, what are these pre-determined causes have their effects and in what world? Does this world you are envisioning or hypothetize includes human manifestations, actions, behaviour?Because the difficulty it seems for free will in our world is that pre-determined causes have their effects on us, so we're just a domino in the chain. — Jerry
Good example. But on a physical level only of course. And it involves randomity. Which is totally different than free wiill. And one can see randomity everywhere in the physical universe, As simple coin tossing shows that very clearly. Coins do not have free will but neither does tossing follow any deterministic paterm. (Assuming of course that the coins are not fake or unfair, in any way.)let's talk about Conway's Game of Life. Because this is an example of a possible world: it is entirely composed of well-defined rules that govern the cells, their states, and determine the evolution of the game. — Jerry
Yes, of course I understand better your position now. But, as I mentioned several times, the human factor is missing from your hypothetical world, which, for that reason seems to be clearly a physical world. And alll that would be just fine if you had not involved free will at all.I would like to hear your input if you better understand my position. — Jerry
No, you were not the ony one. And, as I see, I wasn't the only one either! :smile:I seem to not be the only one noticing this lack of distinction that lends meaning to the word 'free'. — noAxioms
It's not about the word "free"! Is this all that you got from my whole comment?I seem to not be the only one noticing this lack of distinction that lends meaning to the word 'free'. — noAxioms
Didn't get that, sorry. So, maybe I do miss something ...how can that image be the same a physical picture which remains relatively unchanged? — Fooloso4
I personally don't attach a label to my "atheism", e.g. agnostic. In fact, I don't even put officially the label "atheist" on myself. I simply don't believe in the existence of God or gods, as these terms are commonly used. That's all.I (like many contemporary atheists) am an agnostic atheist. — Tom Storm
(I think you have just disclosed your gender! :smile:)Why take one human and divide her into two separate parts? — Dfpolis
You mean, project images from my mind on a screen? You don't know how many times I've thought how amazing that would be! :smile:Suppose neuroscientists were able to give you access to my mental picture and render a public physical picture so that everyone can see what the content of my mental picture is. — Fooloso4
Indeed. But this doesn't change anything. Everyone has different mental pictures of a same object in the environment. (BTW, I can't see why you call it "public"? Never heard of such a descrition.)My mental picture X rendered public at T1 may differ from my mental picture X rendered public at T2. My mental image is not immutable. — Fooloso4
That image has certainly changed, not over time in general, but --strictly speaking-- from one second to another. Thinking is a process producing a kind of energy, which is flowing, like a hologram, and the images that we see in our mind are changing on constant basis. Of course, this does not prevent us from saying, in a figurative way, "I have always this same image in my mind ".I might say that ever since I was a child I have had this image in my mind. If you asked me whether that image has changed over time I cannot give a definitive answer. I have no way of comparing that image as it was then to how it is now. — Fooloso4
Right. (And I guess there are others too in both camps.)he problem is that there are two traditions about souls. One is dualistic, and followed by Plato, Augustine and Descartes. The other is non-dualistic, and followed by Aristotle and Aquinas. — Dfpolis
Do you agree that the content of the picture/description is the same regardless of whether it is a public object or whether it is privately imagined?
— Luke
Not necessarily. As I imagine something can change.
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One is physical and can be made public, the other cannot. One remains relatively stable and unchanging the other may not. We can use one an item of comparison, the other only by the one whose mental image it is. — Fooloso4
I guess you refer to planting an acorn in order to grow an oak tree. (What else?) Like planting sperm in an uterus, an action that will (hopefully) result in the growing of human body.Consider the actuality and potential of an acorn. Its actuality (eidos = form) is being a kind of nut. Its potential (hyle = timber, poorly as translated "matter") is to be an oak tree. — Dfpolis
This is not quite the same. The question "What is meant by 'poodle'?" applies, as you say, to any case. Your original question though, "What is meant by 'mean'?" is a unique case. It already initiates a chain based on the verb and concept of "mean". There's a clear difference.This is easily dismissed. The question is no different than any other. What is meant by "poodle"? What do you mean by "what is meant by poodle"? — hypericin
Congrats! You got yourself a perfect circularity! :smile:What is meant by "mean"? — hypericin
It seems that you are talking about something like Nagel's "What Is It Like to Be a Bat?"What does it feel like to be energy? — Benj96
Why do you all like to speak theoretically and hypothetically without any examples? Not a single example here. How can one relate all this with reality, the world, life and so on? How can one understand what do you actually have in mind? What is your frame of reference, the context in which you are referring to free will?Consider some hypothetical world, a world I would call deterministic because it follows these principles: it obeys certain laws/rules/regularities, such that an outcome follows directly from previous states, these laws/rules/regulations do not change and that they are unbreakable. — Jerry
I know, some philosophers do that. But it is certainly wrong. These two things are ralated but they are of a different kind and nature, so it's a bad habit to equate them, even for just descrption purposes.[Re: Consciousness missing in the description] That’s because for my purposes I’m treating ‘mind’ and ‘consciousness’ as synonyms. — Wayfarer
I see that you refer to neuroscience. Indeed, from what I know, there are a few neurobiologists who admit e.g. that consciousness is not a product of the brain and accept the hard problem of conscioussnes. Thankgod. But the vast majority of scientists stick on the brain. This is their world. They can't work outside the material world.[Re: This is clearly a physicalist/materialist view. It belongs to Science and its materialist view of the world.] Not at all! I think many elements within science itself are actually starting to diverge from a materialist view of the world. — Wayfarer
This is clearly a physicalist/materialist view. It belongs to Science and its materialist view of the world.By ‘creating reality’, I’m referring to the way the brain receives, organizes and integrates cognitive data, along with memory and expectation, so as to generate the unified world–picture within which we situate and orient ourselves. — Wayfarer
I like Nagel. I have read only a paper of him, "What Is It Like to Be a Bat?" and I found it quite original and interesting, as a view regarding the nature of consciousness. As I just read in Wiki, "Mind and cosmos" came almost 40 years later! It will be interesting to see how his thought and view evolved in such a long span of time. And maybe he gives another meaning of "emergence", as you mention, because I don't believe that consciousness has been "emerged" (from anything).[Regarding the emergence of consciousness] It's the central question of the book I'm currently reading, Mind and Cosmos. — Pantagruel
I don't like much this kind of acrobatic and speculative hypotheses, based mainly on playing around, fiddling with concepts, some of which sometimes are not well supported themselves, and without some solid ground or frame of reference to support them. See, Nagel in "What Is It Like to Be a Bat?" provided a realistic, well-grounded and workable frame of reference on which he supported his arguments.it is possible that there non-physical aspects to the physical, proto-conscious features, in a reductive interpretation. — Pantagruel
If I noticed? I can't avoid highlighting this fact! :smile:I don't know if you noticed, but all of the most advanced physics is entirely "theoretical". — Pantagruel
You think?The question as to what is/isn't "hard evidence" is itself psycho-social. — Pantagruel
We don't know if consciousness has been produced as part of the biological life. If it wre, then the nature of consciouness would be physical. And this has never been established. (It has been only hypothesized by scientists who have not produced and hard evidence about that, as they usually do for other things. And there wouldn't be an immense number of talks about it, since the time the concept of consiousness was conceived (Locke, 1690) and isolated as a human element. Nor would there be any "hard problem of consciousness" (Chalmers, 1995).Even if the mechanisms that produced biological life, including consciousness — Pantagruel
What else could there be? I don't know of anythings physical producing something non-physical. The opposite can happen. Thinking (non-physical) and emotions (non-physical) can increase adrenaline levels, produce stress in the body, etc.If [these meachnisms] are, at some level, the same as those that operate in the evolution of the physical universe, it does not follow that those mechanisms are physical. — Pantagruel
These are attempts to compromise non-compromisable things, find middle-solutions, etc. And they are of course totally theoretical, existing in a frame, context of their own. I have met a lot of "exotic" terms and concepts like these. The all rise from an inability to explain things, esp. after long periods and efforts. It reminds me of what scientists do for a century or so in trying to explain and establish that memory is created and located in the brain. They keep always changing locations and mechanisms, coming out with similar "exotic" ideas. Yet, still not a trace of hard evidence about them. I personally cannot take all that seriously.Perhaps some transphysical and transmental concept is required to capture both mechanisms.... — Pantagruel
No, I don't. I certainly don't consider them perfect. But I think that they provide a basis or general frame of reference on which one can rely for further examination of the subjects they describe. They are based on research about the subjects in question. In contrary to the often biased, opinionized personal "definitions" --here's where the quotation marks actually belong-- based on misconceptions and/or ignorance.You think that "definitions" in dictionaries represent the sine qua non of meaning? — Pantagruel