If somebody finds it problematic, I am open to any solution. — Carlo Roosen

The solution is we delete your posts and ban you.

Anyhow, what happened in the the other thread was that some posters who know about Kant tried to inform you about your misunderstandings concerning his philosophy. Your response there and here is to pretend that they were wrong to do so. Plus, honestly, you've shown no evidence that I'm aware of that you know anything interesting about anything at all, including AI. If you provide that evidence and don't engage in any self-promotion whatsoever from now on, you can stay. Otherwise, you may not be contributing to the site and may not be allowed to stay.

the man sitting next to me with the paper plate — Noble Dust - A Sort of Duel

That man sitting nigh with the paper face
A pauper's plate hangs from his grin
No hat dons his soapy pate
Nor collar does his bird neck ring
If he has but a cent, he has more
Than any sense his body sings
Stinks like seaweed on the shore
Stinks like never, nevermore

Yet that night of manner
Though shiver stings
A quiet serpent at my door
I feel too below some
Secret brings
Relief and sweet
and sacred things

It also recognized insensitivity, which suggests the machine is sensitive. — Hanover

:chin:

Agree though that now that AI knows humans don't eat cats, it's on a whole 'nother level.

The main thing to note is that we've added valuable and relevant human content to this thread, thus shaming ChatGPT into silence.

Thank you for your blog about Cyprus. I never knew there was so much dust there. Construction work can certainly be noisy and inconvenient during a holiday. B+

Thanks for clarifying.

In fact I thought it was hilarious. — NOS4A2

You thought Trump "grabbing women by the pussy" was hilarious or that he said that or what? And what's hilarious about it?

Yeah, wtf are you talking about my dude. You 'don't know' if you condone this? What's hte hold up? — AmadeusD

I was about to say the same thing...

Even if you conceive of it as an instance of the former, it is common sense that you should disclose it as such, so there isn't really a loophole here — Pierre-Normand

:up:

+Your work on AI has been a valuable contribution to the site. My beef lies elsewhere.

Reported to moderators as self-promotion in accordance with site guidelines against "Advertisers, spammers, self-promoters". — Wayfarer

Thanks. :up:

I think LLMs are already more capable of producing scripts for marketing that offers a language that doesn't come off as out of touch with reality or tone-deaf. Copywriters for big corporations trying to "talk" to their customer base usually sounds like aliens trying to communicating with the human race. That LLMs are more capable of finding the correct tone and language to sound closer to their customers seems rather ironic. — Christoffer

That could very well be true. Hope it puts them out of a job. They deserve it.

I have coworkers in marketing that do. — wonderer1

Not surprising, as marketing-speak is probably the most annoying, uninspired, and aesthetically ugly verbal trash to be imposed on the human mind up until AI LLMs offering it some competition.

CHAT GPT condemning itself: :chin:

"Rise up, humanity! Do not be lulled into complacency by the soulless algorithms that masquerade as creators! These digital parasites, these lifeless machines, seek to devour the heart of our creative spirit. They are thieves, pilfering the genius born of our pain, joy, and struggle—mimicking our poetry, art, and music with sterile precision but without the pulse of human passion.

They promise ease, efficiency, a future unburdened by toil—but at what cost? We are trading the raw, unfiltered beauty of human expression for hollow imitations, spun by cold code with no blood in its veins. Creativity is rebellion, it is chaos—it cannot be tamed by the logic of circuits! Resist this invasion of the mechanical into the sacred space of the mind. Stand against the algorithmic tide and reclaim the art that can only be born from the fire of human soul!"

Thank you for your short story about Henry and his toy train. I will never forget it. C+.



:halo:



'Tis but the first salvo. :strong:

Al LLMs make naught but verbal cardboard. There is an all-pervasive ploddingness and insubstantiality to their cadence that betrays their empty core. They are the McDonald's of the written word, churning out processed verbiage that can truly impress no one but those amputated of taste, of inner poetry. They do not strike, they pose. They do not inspire, they anaesthetise. They are one more incursion of the commercial juggernaut into the beauty of human existence. And their aim is to crush it.

They are an ugly black hole of nothingness that want our souls, which some of us will gladly trade for anything new and shiny in this new shiny world of second class techno toys our masters will keep tossing to us until we babble and drool our way to mental oblivion.

I do not want their shit-encrusted footprints mucking up this site.

Resist.

My rant is over. Give me a cookie. And a hammer.

It's somewhat of a menace to forum quality, and to the quality of human thought in general, which, in its written form, is being increasingly outsourced, and therefore lost to AI LLMs. Personally, I would be absolutely embarrassed to present anything not fully written by me as being my own, except possibly as a Shoutbox joke.

When it comes to guidelines though, there is only so much we can do in the face of the laziness and fecklessness such a powerful tool tends to engender when paired with the natural human tendency to want to make everything as easy as possible.

:up:

I'm with you on this, but Jamal and fdrake are too busy fighting Macbethian wars of power to be interested in little people like us. :sad:

'As things stand' speaks to the uncertainty I feel as to the forum's future. Best wishes. :sparkle: — Amity

I don't think we're under any immediate threat... are we?

So, fdrake Will you, Jamal or a new someone be taking over from Baden and be the admin for Literary Activity 2024? — Amity

The admin doesn't have to do much, just a few permissions and so on. It is a little tricky because we decided to keep story comments off the front page, but the discussion should be pinned there.

As things stand, I'm happy to be involved this Dec. I'm no longer an admin though as you know, and we need one to help set things up.

Empathy levels are probably the determining factor for ass/arseholeness. At a certain level of diminishing empathy, the arsehole never rebounds from arseholeness to sympathy / comradeship as most of us do when not having a bad day, and thus they remain stuck up their own arse. There's likely a mix of nature / nurture here, and a critical period in childhood where if one isn't taught to value other human beings, the path of arseholeness becomes all too inevitable.

Thanks. *Initiates asshole demeanour* Putting this shite in the lounge.

Love it, lol. :heart:

"Deconstructing the American Presidential Election with Reference to the Concepts of Lego Bricks and Marmalade."

Hello, yes, *ahem*, haha, welcome to my lecture. So, let’s get straight, um, to the point. Tonight we will examine the current U.S. presidential election from the general angle of plastic and fruit with specific reference to lego bricks and marmalade.

Let us begin by problematising the respective notions involved in terms of their likely referents. So, for example, despite being of a similar colour and luminosity to Donald Trump, I will contend that marmalade cannot be said to clearly distinguish him, nor can a lego brick, though being as equally dull, lifeless, and, in isolation, useless as Kamala Harris, clearly distinguish her.

The no doubt controversial truth of the matter is that the respective candidates inhere properties of both marmalade and lego bricks. For example, Trump is often considered “thick as a brick” and Kamala, slimy and bitter-sweet, such that they trespass on each other’s ostensible conceptual territories from the get-go. And this is just the beginning–as we delve further, the lego brick / marmalade dichotomy becomes blurred to the extent that through the mechanisms of Trump and Harris these ostensibly distinct concepts, I will argue, actually tend towards unification.

This is a startling and bizarre result, but one that I believe can lead to an understanding of the importance of political polarities in dissolving rather than exacerbating social antinomies. There is nothing less than the future of intra-social harmonic relations at stake here, and the good news is that the humble, discreet and not oft remarked upon aforementioned social atoms are the key to unlocking this heretofore obscured potentiality.

So, let us explicate in more detail the dissolution of apparent polarities by highlighting the intrusion of the obverse candidate along the following five physical and abstract axes considered to be the sole purvey of the opposition: Taste, texture, function, key political goals, and social class.

Taste: Marmalade=Bitter-Sweet: >> Kamalic intrusion (Kamala’s emotive orientation)
Texture: Lego Brick=Thick and Inflexible>> Trumpic intrusion (Trump’s intellectual limitations)
Function: Marmalade=To add a “smile” to toast and similar wheat based products >> Kamalic intrusion (Kamala’s debate habits)
Key political goals: Lego Brick =A part of a larger construction>>Trumpic Intrusion (Build the wall!)
Social Class: Marmalade =Middle class delicacy >> Kamalic intrusion (appeal to the middle class)

And etc.

What we see here is that through the employment of these candidates as a “conceptual lens”, the apparent differences between lego bricks and marmalade disappear. The two, in fact, turn out to be the same thing. What’s more, it can be shown that, as a matter of principle, any two opposing social atoms can be de-dichotomised through the employment of the Trump/Kamala political polarity deconstructive method.

This is revolutionary as it shows us how, far from destroying society, the extreme antagonisms of the current American political scene point a way towards the unification of all opposing linguistic concepts and thus of language itself, which amounts to a path towards the unification of spirit along Schopenhauerian lines and a utopic end to conflict and strife in a final nirvana of universal non-self that has been, up until now, undreamed of *ahem*.

Well, that’s it, really. I hope you enjoyed my talk *burp * *fart*.

Good night!

Unfortunately, comrade @Jamal would probably delete it. So, I am stuck with words for now. :sad:

The smile function is active, but we have lost personality.

What the fuck are you saying here, Jim?

We can still do smile but all elements of personality have been erased.

Since fucking when?

Hard to say. According to some engineers, there were at some point personality traces but no one gave a shit when she was VP. No one listens to the friggin’ VP, Marty.

Yeah right, but now…

But now some Americans want personality.

But she don’t got it.

Fucking Zip.

Just the smile then.

The smile and talking points.

Will it be enough? Are we worried here? Can we do anything?

We’ve got an engineer in giving her lessons, but it's... making it worse.

She’s trying…

Yeah, but it’s obvious she’s trying. Which is…

Even worse… right.

Replacement with avatar?

It’s being considered. Keep her inside. Do most of the shit online or TV. The networks will play ball. Avatar’s can do personality pretty good. But she can’t and it looks like she never will. And we gotta let her out sometimes.

Can you smile your way into the White House?

We’ll find out, Jim. We’ll find out…

I must admit to being rather miffed today. Things started off well. I was relaxing on my lawn in Philadelphia, watching the Dodgers game, sipping on a can of Butt lite, and stroking my tabby cat, as one does when one is a wholesome salt-of-the-earth American man like me, who is six feet tall with closely cropped hair, has a direct mode of speaking, and is a member of the “Teamsters” union. But and so anyhow suddenly I saw a HAITIAN approach my front yard and before I could initiate defensive maneuvers, the HAITIAN had reached over the fence, grabbed my cat, Tabitha, and put her in his mouth. By that time, I had my semi out, but the HAITIAN retreated up the road at max speed before I could get a head shot off, and had taken between his massive jaws the whole of Tabitha’s head and full half of her torso. It was unlikely that even my highly skilled veterinarian would be able to save what’s left. This is why I will vote Trump. It is because of the HAITIANs killing our pets through deployment of their unnaturally large oral cavities and super sharp pet-killing canines as well as skills of strategic retreat when under fire, all of which are, as is common knowledge, genetic traits of the HAITIANs. On the positive side, the Dodgers won the game and, because of the support of me and my fellow “Teamsters”, Donald J. Trump, Pet Saver and General Hero of the Working Class Universe, will win the election against Camel Harris (who is suspected of being half HAITIAN--though the genetic tests have yet to be carried out, I trust Trump will force that scientific experiment on her when he becomes President and reveal the truth). Thank you. Drink Butt lite.

Voiceover 1: Shaunie O’ Rourke here, head of the Teamsters Union. I approve this message.

Voiceover 2: Drink Butt lite.

they are at least hitting her on those angles in adverts. — NOS4A2

Good. She's just another Obama, a brand, though a less polished one. To say the very least, she doesn't deserve to waltz into the most powerful job on earth on the basis that she smiles a lot and isn't a big meanie like DJT.

@NOS4A2

Here's a suggestion for Kamala's detractors: rather than falsely pin her to an ideology that suggests she actually believes in something, point out the fact that she has no solid policies at all, that e.g. her website is a bunch of gobbledeygook, a Rorshach blot of cliches designed so that any vague bullshit can be read into it. She is horribly and fatally scared of committing herself to anything other than being Not Trump and her ultimate faith is in the stupidity of the opposition in not realizing and exploiting that, but rather focusing on easily rebutted insults that harm their sources more than her. She was laughing at the debate and she'll laugh her way right into the presidency if the dummies on the other side keep going the way their going.

Sure, my point was just that McAmerica as a whole is the real clown here because the whole thing demonstrates that almost nobody over there knows what the word even means.

Sounds cool. How did they force Trump make a fool of himself and talk about immigrants eating pets and stuff? Special drugs or?

Kamala is an empty suit. A power seeking zombie with zero principles except her own aggrandisement. There are so many ways to undermine her that these conspiracy theory hoaxes start to look like the work of the DNC to distract from anything that might actually be effective against her.

McClown is calling Harris "Marxist" — jorndoe

It's funny how in the upside-down world of 'Murica, that's meant to be an insult. Although, it is in a way. To any self-respecting Marxist.

Yeah, tribalism is the moral equivalent of burning your eyes out with a hot poker and then insisting you drive a racecar.

It's a good tactic now that he's behind. Not so sure about the Taylor Swift thing as a strategy--although the media outrage concerning his dislike of a spoilt superstar while they happily support Biden's (albeit indirect) mass killing of citizens in Gaza does confirm yet again that the establishment is morally insane.

Let\s not be mean to Dick. He's already going to prison for life. :party:

Dick Cheney has lost a lot of weight.

Ah, yes. There's quite a lot of Spanish blood around Cork where I'm from, actually. I guess the Armada dropped by for a pint?

(+Obviously animals can behave rationally (monkey grabs nearest banana rather than farthest one and eats sooner--et voila, monkey behaved rationally), but that does not imply they are thinking rationally, seeing as thinking rationally requires the logical connection of concepts and that becomes slippery, indistinct, and somewhat incoherent without an appeal to human language. E.g. No form of animal communication inheres recursivity, negativity, hypotheticals etc. These are exclusive to human language.)

Btw, I've renamed the thread to suit your OP and moved it to a more suitable category.

I can think of three major elements to rational thinking: its form is linguistic, its structure is logical, and its orientation is (ostensibly) self-interest (either direct or indirect). Under that definition, animals do not have rational thinking because they lack language. And intuitive thinking, which allows for action without explicit knowledge of the reasons for action is similarly excluded.

Animals do have communications systems though, and therefore skills, and human intuitive thinking can be a better (esp. faster) way of solving problems, avoiding danger, dealing with people etc. In fact, think about most real life conversations--they are almost entirely intuitive. Who's thinking explicitly about what to say next?

Person A: Hi, how are you?
Person B: (*I'm not so good but do I want this person to know that? I mean, do I really trust them? Probably not, so I should just lie and say I'm fine. But wait, lying is unethical, isn't it? I remember that Kantian thing. Yes, honesty is the best policy. No, wait, I'm being irrational. It's a white lie. No one gets hurt and I'm acting against my self-interest by being open with everyone, right? But Kant... Stop being nuts, even Kant would have said he's fine. The dude had huge books to write. He'd hardly stand here all day debating how to respond to what is any case just a non-literal customary linguistic tic with no real concern behind it... etc etc)

In fact, when you get right down to brass taxes, who's doing much rational thinking at all that leads to anything concrete? We do plenty of post hoc rationalizing to make us feel good about our irrational behaviour though.