By saying things like this, you are guaranteed to alienate progressives and independents, who you need to win. So, if your goal with your posts on this site is to do everything possible to get Trump reelected, you're doing a fantastic job.

New Dem campaign slogan "Some things are more important than rape. Vote Biden".

:up:

Be clear, I'm just calling for a proper investigation. His chance to clear his name. At the moment, the woman is being ignored by most media outlets because it was a Dem and not a Republican that's being accused.

Probably the only good thing about Dubya was he wasn't a rapist. Far as I know. But yeah it's at least 50/50.

The right to vote includes the right not to vote. And the right not to vote becomes not just morally acceptable but morally obligatory if your choice is between two rapists. Luckily, there are always third party options.

The partisan Kool-aid dissolves all rational and moral sense among the sheeple.

So you vote third party or you don't vote. Very simple.

You don't have to vote for evil. You need to get your head around that.

Pretty much an exact parallel to the Kavanaugh case. Where are all the self-righteous Dems now?

@Xtrix @Frank Apisa

You're both just fine with this?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/24/joe-biden-sexual-assault-claim-tara-reade-deserves-to-be-heard-katie-halper

Biden has been credibly accused of sexual assault. No progressive who cares about women's rights should vote for him until a proper investigation is carried out. Period. And any who do are massive hypocrites.

I think the Dem campaign should run with that. "Vote for us or you're a Nazi".

Ok, what now?

This way, please.

Yeah I have no qualms about you guys roasting me — NOS4A2

Hey if you feel too hot, you might try pouring some liquid nitrogen over yourself.

Just an innocent suggestion speculation.

It was a good old puzzler. Had me stumped.

Agreed.

Essentially, he suggested it "might" be a good idea not that it "is" a good idea. The movement to the positive from the speculative is hyperbole somewhat justified by the added humor element and the fact that both brain farts are almost equally egregious. Like, I don't know, as if someone said "It might be a good idea to set yourself on fire when you're cold". And then the defense was, "Hey, he was just speculating, man!" He deserves every ounce of ridicule though we should be honest enough to acknowledge what he actually did say, of course.

So you didnt agree that concentration of wealth undermines democracy? That's bizarre. — frank

Last one. I do agree with that. If that's all you meant. We are in agreement. G'night.

He recently told me not to call him liberal. — frank

None of this is about me... Or what I like to be called. We were talking about historical facts. I'm not a historical figure. Yet :starstruck:



Not for everyone. Just look it up, Frank. You're not teaching anyone anything here. Goodnight.

It's not new. — frank

Sure, but what's new since the Boomer generation is the hugely increased wealth and opportunity gap.

See, e.g. https://www.amazon.com/Our-Kids-American-Dream-Crisis/dp/1476769907

Anyway, my bedtime.

Concentration of wealth combined with money in politics leads to political competition for that money with the currency of exchange being political favors. It's the voters who are sidelined.

Rather than addressing what I said, you both made decidedly unhelpful responses instead. — DingoJones

Nothing we've said is as remotely unhelpful as accusing someone of TDS. I ignored your question because it didn't directly apply to me.

Yes and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_v._Valeo

Ideologically, Hayek, Friedman. In terms of events, the 70s economic crises. Politicians, Thatcher and Reagan. In general, the rich and monied looking for ways to maximize their slice of the economic pie.

It depends on what you mean by "sold out". A certain class looked after its own interests economically. It included social conservatives and social liberals.

Neolib through and through. What about him?

Yeah, obviously.

It's the dominant economic paradigm anyhow. Trump is a slight aberration, but he mostly tows the line.

Trump is exactly what we deserve for the next four years. — Xtrix

At last you got it.

I agree that it exists. — frank

Aha! Another sufferer of TCDS! :gasp:

Clinton and Blair are big ones.

Neoconservatism — frank

I was talking about neoliberalism.

It was the 1960s, not 1980s. — frank

Don't be silly. Your top tax rate in 1960, for example, was 91%.

Besides, just look it up.

"Neoliberalism constituted a paradigm shift away from the post-war Keynesian consensus which had lasted from 1945 to 1980."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism.

I'm sorry your American relatives don't have those things. Where are they situated in terms of education level and employment? — frank

Back to nonsense. Universal healthcare is not determined by education and employment. Hence, the name.

So, the implication is that the criticism is irrational because it's about Trump. Which itself is irrational. Trump-Critic Derangement Syndrome (TCDS)?

That's a relief! :sweat:

Tried to kick the computer when reading Hansover's posts. M-fucker is going to kill me one of these days. :lol:

Nah, was effing about with a football and twisted it.

I can modify it to elections are "largely" irrelevant except for... etc and on the economic front that seems fairly accurate to me as the neoliberal consensus has held since it took off in the eighties. Re laying foundations for socialism or whatnot, I would be very modest in my goals for the US. What I would want for Americans (including the family I have over there) is simple stuff like paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, universal healthcare, affordable college education, a fair tax system, better social security etc*. And what I'm arguing is that if the Dems don't offer that they should not expect to be given the support of those who want it. If enough progressives make it clear that this is the deal, the Dems might be forced to make some changes. If progressives jump on the Biden train now, they'll get nothing. You don't pay for a free hamburger.

*And, of course, take the money out of politics. Nothing good is going to come out of having a system that essentially legalizes bribes.

Identifying when someone is allowing their views of Trump to cloud or impair their normal behaviour (TDS in a nutshell) — DingoJones

It's a made-up-meme, the purpose of which is to discredit criticism of Trump. Period. There is zero more substance to it than that as you're smart enough to know. And, besides, by the definition above, every criticism of any politician clouded by bias against them (which is to a degree almost every criticism of every politician) is X [insert politician's name] Derangement Syndrome. In fact why restrict it to politicians? Let's just call every criticism we don't like "deranged", so we don't have to deal with it. So, it's a primitive political cudgel dressed up in a superficial layer of pseudo-psychological double-speak and employing it marks an end to serious communication and a descent into the same childishness it seeks to condemn. (Like, how does the conversation continue now you've identified your opponent as "deranged"?).

I was just saying you'd been criticized a lot not that you'd done anything wrong.