Yes, there are reasons for things being the way they are and science helps us learn the reasons. — Athena

By reasons I mean ratios. Science is not the only ratio game in town.

There is a serious difference between basing our thinking on our feelings, or basing what we think on facts and reasoning. To base what we think on facts and reasoning, we need to learn the facts and the reasoning. To react emotionally requires nothing of us and it does not equal good judgment nor good arguments. — Athena

A "serious" difference. I see it all the time in arguments. References to "seriousness", "highly", "badly", etcetera.

To react emotionally rerequires nothing? It requires "serious" thinking! Thinking emotionally. Thinking based on a feeling of justice or love or compassion with fellow Earthlings who don't base their daily lives or politics on the Ratio of the Enlightnment.

Do you think knowledge of logos, reason, the controlling force of the universe, — Athena

Is reason the controlling force of the universe? There are lots of reasons. Not only the scientific one.

There is a saying "do not argue with ignorance". I think that is good advice when someone asks for information and then ignores it. — Athena

Do you mean I ignore you information and that I'm ignorant? I know damned well what Trump was doing. As an outsider maybe even better than Americans.

I gave up my blind faith in religious salvation long ago. And it's hard to find reasons for optimism on a forum full of hyper-critical cynicism — Gnomon

Cheer up buddy! Salvation will show itself in the moments before total doom. The Earth will prevail and all life will live again as is meant to be: in paradise. Apparently there has to be done wrong on scary scales before we all can rejoyce in the wonders of creation again and all species and sorts can wander freely and fearlessly again on this beautifull Earth. Better times not visible yet but surely to come. The natural and the love-lovers, including those longing for small quarels and struggles, are to come and to stay. Untill the end of the Sun!

Don't worry dear, you do not need to know the difference between fiction and non-fiction because all you have to do is obey the authorities who handle everything for us. — Athena

That's all I don't have to do. I still have no answer why it's not good to base politics on emotion.

"And they lived in reality ever after." — T Clark

...and the poor objective one rested peacefully below their dancing trail.

I gave you the answer and if you do not pay attention to it, I am not replying again. — Athena

I don't give in to authority and blackmail.

I agree with this, but it's a really good story. — T Clark

The best one is theoretical high energy physics. That story is heavy and very enjoyable science fiction/fantasy. The really strange thing is that it's rooted in reality.

Here is the answer to your question. — Athena

I'm asking your answer. Not that of others.

Don't worry dear, you do not need to know the difference between fiction and non-fiction because all you have to do is obey the authorities who handle everything for us. — Athena

But I do worry dear! Science is a story too, eventhough our universities make us believe that it's about facts. What to think of massless Goldstone ghosts eaten by massless gauge bosons to aquire mass? Feyerabend is one of the few who understands this. The fact that science is one story amongst many.

But with a president like Trump who appeals to our emotions but not our brains and a mass that does not understand logic and the difference between nonfiction and fiction or what science has to do with democracy, the challenge seems overwhelming. — Athena

What's wrong with appealing to emotions? What's so important about the brain? Emotions need a brain to flourish too.

What do you mean by getting along?
— Robotictac

If you have to ask that question, maybe I should be getting along. — TheMadFool

That's no answer. What means getting along? No quareling or fighting? Why not? It's nice to fight once in a while.

I'm a strong guy and women like me but I would' t even seriously think about using my strength and good looks to expand my power.

(No irony here...)
— Robotictac

Why not? — stoicHoneyBadger

Because I love people.

However, you can't justify religion without morality. Religion is dope to help some cope — James Riley

I believe in gods who created the world. But I don't get my morals or ethical systems or my rights and wrings from them. I just tell them to FO and stroll along happily. Maybe I am an exception...

Sure. That's what happens. Experiences go in one end of our minds and come out concepts at the other end. — T Clark

I couldn't word it better!

Is a story about a god walking in a garden with a man and woman and that this god cursed them because they ate a forbidden fruit, a fact? — Athena

The story is a fact.