An Aristocrat who didn't have to worry about money? ;)

Ads really would probably generate enough, and then some, revenue -- plus all the connections, etc. that they can use, regardless of whether or not this group stays. Just sayin'. It's got a good google presence.

Was it too much to hope that they'd at least wait until the primaries were over, though?

I mean -- the left-ish talk of Clinton only came about because of radical leftists making a scene, ya'know?

Kant's aesthetics -- formally speaking -- are actually really excellent for judging abstract works of art.

That is, it is you who should appreciate them on purely normative grounds, whatever your particular enjoyments might be. ;)

Welcome @mcdoodle

Cool. :) At least they have the info then. We'll just have to wait and see.

That's true -- but management seems to have a penchant for deleting posts, so until apologies come about. . .

Looks like we've all forgotten Banno. Should I send a PM? I thought someone else would have gotten him by now...

I did it one at a time. Copy paste?

Heh. I figured that it would take time. There's actually a lot of cool things this format has to offer that the old one doesn't. I was just trying to think of ways to make it feel "homey" more than anything.

You should PM them. I'd like to see them too.

Definitely. ;)

I just posted those whom I've PM'ed.

Nagase, Csal, Photographer, TimeLine, creative

The website advertised at the end has articles for 2015 too. Seems like they're keeping it going.

I suppose a part of me had hoped that all the hustle and bustle of leftism might influence working class institutions. It's certainly had an effect on this election cycle. I mean, at least wait until the primaries are over if you plan on doing it. . . but, no, they hope to get something out of an early endorsement. [but, these days, what that "get something" amounts to is crumbs -- some barely better appointees in the NLRB and 8 year waits until the dem is a lame duck to "start conversations on labor" -- which is surely better than nothing, but certainly no legislative pushes]

Though I suppose, in the end, this has more to do with membership activity than not. A militant movement makes for militant leadership.

Still... made me disappointed, at least.

It's actually extremely difficult to replicate A.E. works of art. Just imagine trying to get even that Rothko painting exactly correct.

And then, there's something to be said about having an artist create A. E. and having your Uncle say that he can do that too. One, I bet the Uncle didn't do that. They just feel like they could. I'd encourage them to try. Two, the artists we are familiar with tend to create better A.E. pieces than someone who is just trying it out. They are more visually pleasing, on the whole -- because the artist is trained in the principles of art, and practiced too.

In addition there's the originality of the works, as you note. But I see no reason why a modern A.E. couldn't do well, insofar that they just did something different with it. I rather like the paintings, personally. I spent a whole day in MOMA once, just looking. I was drawn into the abstract works more than the "explicit" works.

Glad to see you @Bitter Crank

That's pretty cool. It is possible to set up something similar on Twitter, though you are limited in how many characters you tweet. You can always link-back to a blog of sorts if you'd like to post longer highlights.

I imagine something like https://twitter.com/nytimes account would be good to emulate. All you need is an email account to register. Then you need to garner followers and retweets to get noticed.

EDIT: Should probably add a mention in here --
@ArguingWAristotleTiff

Yeah. It states as much in the comments section of Flo's link:

Some of flippa's automatic information is incorrect. The site is built on PHP with the WSN PHP scripts (mainly WSN Forum) which I also develop, there's no Perl. Script licenses included with sale. — gavagai

Though I don't know, exactly, what that license entails or doesn't. EDIT: As in, does it just mean you can use the code for that domain, or can you use it for any domain you might have control over, or what?

I'm familiar with Twitter. It's the only social media I use. Not sure how to advertise with it, but we used it for activist-related shtuff, and keeping tabs on news sources.

Hahah. Yeah, that actually made sense. :D

You know, you can mark up the text a bit, too.

For instance, I didn't click quote, but typed this in:

All men are mortal
Socrates is a man

Therefore, Socrates is Mortal — Aristotle

I just used (left bracket)quote(equal sign)Aristotle(rightbracket)(text)(leftbracket)(slash)quote(rightbracket)

No, I don't understand your trick.

I know you can at least edit your posts. Just hover your cursor over your post, and an "Edit" link appears at the bottom of your post.

Well, all things considered, 20k/12 years amounts to what, annually? 1 2/3k, before we consider whatever out-of-pocket expenses might have been involved. Probably turned a profit, but these things happen -- people move on, and get tired of holding the torch.

Granted, there's volunteer labor in there -- but that's usually the case for non-profit style organizations. They don't function without volunteer labor, and someone usually is being paid to oversee the day-to-day operations.

Not that this means this place shouldn't be -- I'm just pointing out that the motivations involved are understandable enough. Money is a reality that any project, even the supposedly ephemeral, needs to deal with -- because it's the life blood of anything organized.

EDIT: Or, perhaps, I'm just hellbent on making myself unpopular. ;)

"Hip cat" is actually hip slang again, Mayor. So you were just ahead of your time. ;)

I'm still open to seeing how things go going forward at PF1. Indicators aren't on the positive side as of right now, but I see some folk haven't made the crossover either -- and that's my primary metric for "waiting it out" or no. At least there's an effort at this point, though I gather the new owner isn't exactly familiar with forum culture. [otherwise that all would have been handled very differently -- forum culture tends to be pretty libertarian in its views on speech, and all this banning and modding whenever the owner feels its convenient to have something not appear is against that norm. Plus the owner would have made an intro much sooner... ah, we'll see what happens]

First impressions aren't everything, after all, and allegations are just that -- allegations. I've been on the receiving end of that enough times to know that, and work with people often enough to know that too.

History of ideas: History of Being, History of Freedom

History of a particular object: History of The Cross, History of Aristotle's Corpus,

History of social movements: Labor, Race, and Gender struggles

And definitely yes on history of history. That's historiography, in a remarkably consistent if somewhat funny discipline :).

Also, World History, whether we believe in it or no, is at least a thing. And cliometric history, and all the various ways of writing a history of [x] should probably be included.


I don't think that uses of "History" are univocal. I can see overlapping between various uses, but I wouldn't say that they are univocal at all.

It seems to me that History is about what we care about. We explore history to find reasons to justify our actions, to find our identities, to think through problems, or to understand some topic or other.

* Numbering of posts, so that yours would read "1" and mine would read "2"
* Adding scripts, with the thought that we could put something like "modbot" together
* Colorcoded names

I understand that all requests may be denied, in the end. But it never hurts to ask, as you say.

Oh --

*shoutbox

if possible. Tho the scripts thing might be able to take care of that too

It may only happen once in a blue moon, but I fully agree with that sentiment.

Ad removal for membership seems like a good first attempt.

=(

That seems a good way to get off on the wrong foot.

We might kindly ask you to be respectful of others, in the same light. It's not like you *have* to reply, if it's really such a burden. Just reply to what you want to reply to. If it doesn't seem appropriately philosophical [a standard which yourself and myself seem to disagree upon], then just reply to what is.

http://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/261#Post_261 <-- While I don't know how, it would be pretty cool if we could add script too. Ya'know, while we're asking.;)

I think numbering posts would be nice. Sometimes the conversation gets convoluted, and being able to reference a post verbally helps in untangling the confusions. [though the link-back feature is something I had mentioned at PF as helpful, so it's cool to see that here]

I tend to think of woo as a commercial enterprise.

So, if Grandma is telling me that the horoscope really works, then I don't count that. But if you're trying to sell my crystals for my cancer which Big Pharma has been covering up because of how cheap it is, then that would.

I'm not sure about your criteria here. It seems to me that behavior is obviously influenced by belief more than truth -- but that does not then mean that even regular, as opposed to moral, statements are not true or false.

Similarly, our behavior will be influenced by beliefs about morality. But this does not then entail that our beliefs are or are not truth-apt.

Though, perhaps in a round-about away, our meta-ethical beliefs could influence behavior -- whether they, themselves, are true or no, too.

It seems to me that the primary difference between the three worlds is:

1. Moral statements, theories, and beliefs are not truth-apt
2. Moral statements, theories, and beliefs are truth-apt.
3. Same as 2


If we want to simplify, anyways. I'm not sure that I really like the truth-apt statement approach anymore to meta-ethics. It just seems to miss the point.

Hey -- that "Drafts" feature is pretty cool tho. I've lost posts before. Having that save in "real time" is pretty nice.

I'll admit that I get pleasure from the old bulletin board format, but I'm pretty much cool with anything that keeps the group together -- since that was the primary reason for me participating at PF.