Why is my reaction important to you?

I think we'll start with a discussion of what's known as Dark Enlightenment. This is the philosophical portion of what's happening in the world right now.

This will take a while.

You see, you keep thinking this is a joke. I'm going to show you why it's not.

This article touches on the connection between Musk and Vought.

Do we need to do a deep dive on what Project 2025 is? Yes, I think we do.

You think? — Banno

Yea.

There are concerns the US has left a chasm that could be filled by China." — frank

China is growing into a super power.

I give up. — Banno

Ok. Welcome to 2025. :razz:

Then China will win. — Banno

Win what?

This article outlines all of Musk's government contracts.

Hold on, I'll post a picture of one of his children with a snark attached, just give me a second...

That's not what I was referring to. Not military power, soft power. — Banno

The US doesn't want soft power.

That's what I said. — Banno

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the US military starts reducing it's presence in the Pacific.

Chinese wisdom has it that one does not start a war until one has already won.

It is about to win. — Banno

The US and China are not at war.

Isn't that obvious? China will be ecstatic. — Banno

It just means the US won't be standing in their way. Their plans have already been made.

Ok. I like this. You know, we have another twenty or so more years of this ..

"A range of Australian projects have USAid funding. Some organisations receive funds directly, while others work on projects that are jointly funded by the US and other partners and it is unclear what the stop work orders mean for them. There are concerns the US has left a chasm that could be filled by China."

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I doubt it is as benign or 'business as usual' as you seem to want to paint it Frank — Janus

No, I think the US is headed toward increased authoritarianism with nothing to stop it. But you guys will be fine. :up:

You're right. I was wrong. Let's focus on the fallout. Step by step. :wink:

All of those are just quoting The Sun.

Most Americans are familiar with hiring freezes, layoffs, cost-cutting czars, etc. The Executive Branch has been immune from any kind of austerity, thus most Americans either applaud DOGE or they're like meh.

I think that story is bs, and the only source your provided was The Sun. :meh:

Does The Sun print anything but bs?

Just making the information available for those interested. — Wayfarer

I think you know the information you're posting is headline news. You're just throwing it up there without any sort of intellectual engagement.

Do you accept that the the UK Ministry of Defense has told its employees and/or "top brass" to stop talking in EVs? — Agree-to-Disagree

I doubt this would be public information, so bs.

Orwellian says: C'mon everyone, let's do our Two Minutes Hate.

It is utterly Orwellian. — Wayfarer

Not really.

That kind of sounds like bs

Incidentally, did the link to the NS article work, or was it fire-walled? — Banno

It popped right up when I clicked on it.

That's so cool. I'm sick as crap at the moment and that cheered me up. I agree that by the time we understand whale, there is no multiplicity of conceptual schemes. But still, wondering if there's a conversation going on down there that we're being left out of is amazing.

:up: Like Newfoundland.

As AMOC slows, the heat effects will be much stronger in the tropics and southern hemisphere. — unenlightened

The British isles will freeze over. It's speculated that the Younger Dryas, a massive swing in temperatures from warm to freezing and back again was the result of an AMOC shutdown triggered by the end of the last glacial phase. This would be catastrophic because of the speed of the changes

A slow warming isn't bad because we can adapt. Wild swings are a different story.

Same one, repeated 33 times. — NOS4A2

Well, that makes no sense.

And the other 33 felonies?

He was convicted of 34 felonies tho. Nobody cares, they elected him anyway.

We have made use of the notion of time in this thread. Therefore there is such a notion. There is time. — Banno

Yea. But a famous physicist speculates that time has to do with the way our consciousness is configured. Thus the famous cosmologist publishes an article in Nature talking about how time might be an illusion.

So it's legit to say that time might be an illusion.

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Are you guys slightly off topic?

generally agree with most of what flannel jesus says. He knows how to apply physics to philosophical issues. — noAxioms

I agree with him as well. He didn't use any physics though.

what does it mean to hand him to me? — flannel jesus

He wrote an essay on determinism. It won a prize. It shows how that determinism is common sense just as much as free will is.

I'm not going to repeat it though. :grin:

Yes. I get that. I was basically handing you Schopenhauer.

just imagine a universe that started last Thursday.

One could also imagine a godlike figure reaching in and changing a couple individual things — flannel jesus

The Thursday angle do much for the logic which says that if you'd done differently, the whole universe would have to be different from this one.

Or you could have a Sky Daddy intervene. :grin:

Of course we don't have the straight-forward ability to test our counterfactual statements about this world, but it doesn't seem remarkably controversial to me. In fact it's part of every-day speech for most people. "That wouldn't have happened if such-and-such". — flannel jesus

So your view is primarily founded on common sense, right? The free will thesis reflects the way we commonly think and speak. I agree that it does. Although, the deterministic view does also. You mentioned that when you think of alternative histories, you're imagining a change in preceding conditions. Such a change would appear to imply a chain of preceding changes until we've basically replaced our universe with a different one. How do you address that?

my thoughts are, they could have made a different choice if they counterfactually had wanted to. — flannel jesus

Do you think your view needs justification? If so, would you share it? If not, could you say why not?