Actually the US has now more deaths per million people than Sweden.

Correct to notice that it was the right wing that in Sweden demanded a lockdown, which the government didn't do.

Here it was the right-wing that demanded also tough quarantine measures... and the ruling women from the left-centrist administration agreed. At start of the pandemic, the administration and the opposition reached a consensus on this and now Finland has the lowest amount of corona cases and deaths per million of the Nordic countries. But who knows, maybe it will become worse.

So basically the argument that the lock-down or no-lock-down argument is inherently politically or ideologically motivated is simply nonsense. It really isn't. — ssu

About right. The dicussions nere has been as intense as everywhere. But generally out chief epidemiologist said from the beginning No lockdown. And the government listened to his department. Covid has been severe in homes for elderly people, and more people died here under 70 yo, than the total number of fatalities in our neighbouring countries Norway and Finland. They did the lockdown. Abou 5000 died here about 400 there each. But can one say whats right or wrong?

Now for US, well, we have never had masks here, and now very few people die. The most important thing seem not to be government policies but how well people really follow the rules in the country. Have had pretty extensive communication with people in lock down countries and thats no walk in the park, unemployed and stuck in a small apartment alone. The situation is above all difficult, the virus behaves unpredictable, and hunting wrongdoers is maybe not the best thing to do. Do you keep the distance yourself?

what country is that? — Professor Death

Sweden

Interestingly, wearing a mask and locking down stuff has been a right wing thing in my country. Approx the same death rate as in US and Brazil. The social democrat government said few restrictions, no masks, schools open. Right or wrong? Fuck knows...

For example, I do not think I was lying when I taught freshmen engineering students Newtonian physics without fully explaining how relativistic quantum physics falsified it. Why? Because what I taught them was adequate to their needs. Those who would need more precise physics would take other courses to learn it. We can never present all that we know, but we can speak the truth by presenting something adequate to the needs of our audience.

In sum, philosophy can only deal with human knowledge, because, however limited, it is the only knowledge we have. It begins by accepting experience, not as infallible, but as the only raw material that we have to reflect upon. — Dfpolis

In the first paragraph above you state that you taught them that was adequate for their needs. The knowledge of what was adequate, can you say that that was ONLY based on knowledge? No gut feeling?

What I'm talking about is our unconsciousness as a part of our psyche, a part from witch our consciousness (and reason) emerged. If we could equate our unconsciousness with reality beyond, should we then care about it? — Eremit

People having bothered with stuff like this have probably contributed to the enlightenment, the scientific process and stuff and thereby granted me a life already far longer than that for humans through history so I say - shoot!

Why, then, do people so easily confuse metaphysical concepts related to the absolute? — Gus Lamarch

Because all of them are fuzzy

My 25c to help with a lot of these questions, that we also have in Scandinavia with only sligthly different battle trenches:

For people with at least one parent or grand-parent being at least semi-wealthy and academic - I can tell you this, being a guy who have travelled from the suburb where everyone works nine to five or are in unemployment to a semi posh academic area, now being one of you:

People from lower classes do not really dream.
Do not get questions on what to do with their lives.
Have a super high threshold to take a job different that which gives safe monthly pay.
They do want safety. I cannot emphasise this clear enough. When people from academic backgrounds threaten this, through neo-liberalism or activism they scare people into voting for something that seems to guarantee safety.

Whatever solution you have to problems - make sure that the "normal person" has a feeling of being safe. Which is hard living in a western country in the globalized world. The people born in the 40´s, If you behaved decently you got a decent job and had a decent life. The normal guys in Germany did not feel safe after the crash 1929 and all the US loans to Germany being reclaimed. The normal guys in my home country do not at all feel safe with a massive immigration from middle east and a lot of criminality.
Those guys will vote for parties that seem to make their general situation safe.

So whatever you suggest : Make sure that what you say keep the normal daytime workers feeling safe enough. A hell of a lot can be done within these limits. I have read a lot of posts in this thread, I do not address any specific post. See this as a sanity check for what you are suggesting.

If Hitler thinks you're Jew, he won't care what you think; and whether you care or not about what he thinks, it's off to the gas chamber you go. Not having to care what others think about you is a privilege of power. — unenlightened

Off you go to USA before Hitler takes you, then you can start giving a damn again. Wouldn't go as far as saying "privilege of power". More, just make sure you can take the shit that comes with not caring - if you let the uncaring show. You can do the Heil arm thing without caring too much.

No, I'm from Scotland. Why did you bring that up? — fdrake

Because the situation is somewhat different in Sweden from Norway. Bigger problems, larger numbers of refugees, more crime, more racism. A racism that goes both ways.

You can find people like that anywhere and everywhere. — Professor Death

No.

Just another way of trying to find people who think like me to communicate with. People that love gut feeling for stuff but realises the shortcomings of that and can discuss accordingly. Details is not what gives my brain delight. I am not bad with details, Computers brings milk to my children but I find no pleasure in discussing details. Unfortunately detail discussions are what brings science forward. But even in science hypothesis are put and conclusions are drawn. Thats where I come in. I will avoid lengthy arguments to win. I will try to get the total picture. Of stuff.

" future does not mean a now that has not yet come, but a coming in which Dasein comes toward itself in its ownmost potentiality -of-being. " — Gregory

Reading Les Mots at the moment, no wonder Sartre did find an interest in the works of Heidegger...

Having read S und Z and found it tough going but having a reasonable understanding of it, what to read next? I have only read his Opus Magnus, otherwise just secondary litterature. Any suggestion for some shorter, more accessible of his works to read to get a good picture of his thoughts/philosophy?

Did the ... interruption caused by certain events in Germany affect his philosophy? S und Z is pre-Nürmberg.

What makes the Swedish system so terrible is the fact that this hugely popular nationalist party has it founding members were neonazis, and hence all the other parties flatly reject the party and have nothing to do with it. This might sound great, but isn't. If the populist cause and criticism against the lax immigration policies of is only driven by one "fringe" party, it obviously makes things worse.

Here I have to say that luckily Finland has avoided this inability trap, at least for now. Here the "True Finns" rose to popularity and did join the previous administration and got ministerial posts, starting from the position of foreign minister and defence minister. And then came the European Migrant Crisis. Once Sweden started to shut down it's borders, then a wave of immigrants landed in Finland from Sweden. I can just guess what would have politically happened if the True Finns party wouldn't have been in the government back then, but in the opposition and the administration had been made of a leftist-centrist government: even if the policies would have been exactly the same, the public outcry would have been naturally worse. Still, just being in the government at this crucial time made the True Finns to divide into two, with the old leadership starting a new party, which ended in disaster for them in the next elections for them. Yet unlike in Sweden (I guess), the anti-immigrant agenda wasn't treated as outrageous and totally politically-incorrect discourse by other parties from the start, even with the Social Democratic Party accepting that there have to be limitations on immigration and immigration had negative consequences. — ssu

Ssu, I guess we are neighbours on the world map. Your post is most intereresting. And what you say is in line with my observations from the other coast of the Baltic Sea.

To connect to the subject: It is not only in the immigration question Finland has outperformed Sweden this millenia. Also in handling of education, schools, teachers appreciation Finland is famous for its good education while Sweden goes down the drain PISA result wise.

Finland is supposedly doing things right there too. The schools are also a hot potato in Sweden, but in this case both the left and the right are accusing each other. And in both cases one can see elite projects stemming from people being born in upper class academical families.

Schooling is surprisingly rightist in a sense here in Sweden compared to other European countries. Private schools are allowed and get state funding. Schools that are allowed to make profit. Sweden had Right wing government during the 00-s and some really neo-liberal projects were launched.

I can see the same tendency here as I see in stuff like immigration and Global warming discussion. Young people from well-to-do academical families pushing for things where most people generally agree that this is a serious matter, but they push very hard, and in a romantic fashion. One get the picture of kids growing up in omnipotence - not having had to cope with consequences, treating serious questions as a means to give an answer to the eternal upper class question - "what do I want to do with my life". Very seldom the answer is - Get a daytime job and make sure I take responsibility for myself. WhiIch is the message my life as a lower, non-academic, middle class had as a must. Noone asked for goals in life. Does this makes sense?

Wiki says
"Ernesto "Che" Guevara (Spanish: [ˈtʃe ɣeˈβaɾa];[3] 14 June 1928[4] – 9 October 1967) was an Argentine Marxist revolutionary, physician, author, guerrilla leader, diplomat, and military theorist. A major figure of the Cuban Revolution, his stylized visage has bome a ubiquitous countercultural symbol of rebellion and global insignia in popular culture.[5]

As a young medical student, Guevara traveled throughout South America and was radicalized by the poverty, hunger, and disease he witnessed...."

Our social democrat Prime Minister(Stadsminister) Olof Palme, murdered 1986, the deed, committed on a Stockholm street shocked everyone has the same story. From the noblesse, spent his summers in a castle close to where my blackmith grandfather spent his summer in the standard the working class workers from town spent their summers, in a shed that the fishermen rented to the workers of the town.

Palme, a good social democrat traveled eg the USA and saw people who were even worse off than the Swedish workers(who had few "under them") . Palme did NOT become a revolutionary, but during the 68 movement he spoke highly of the revolutionarys around the world, and he is kind of the archetype for swedish activists. Greta is just another one. Good oratory skills (you learn that in a posh family), ends to which almost all in principle agrees to, but no plan for how to accomplish the ends, a fuzzy wish for a revolution, and a deeply romantic aura... This does not seem like something that would attract an intelligent youngster from a scolared family. One should think that people like that would appreciate the complexity of a problem, and act with the care and political delicacy. Yes, CO2 emissions levels are bad. Yes, its bad that people are stuck in conflicts in the middle east, Somalia. But what to do about it?

And most important - how do a person from a well-to-do academic family end up being left leaning? The guys that happen to take a journey to poor mans land? Still a mystery, and noone want to give an answer. I don't buy "the good guys".

n my opinion, the more educated tend to lean left because their priorities are different compared to those who hold more conservative views. For example, academics are less likely to own or manage businesses directly, so they are less concerned with having lower taxes and less regulations that would make it easier to start and sustain a business. — AntonioP

Having spent last 20 year in the nicer part of towns and with substantial contact with people from different "better" families, actually married into such a family(which one may say, I should have had this conversation done with years ago but... my new relatives do not want to talk about it. Their leftness is God given...) , it is definitely more sublime. Neighbours that run their own businesses, resents immigrants and taxes are highly scolared, and can take part in any intellectual discussion.

No. This is more sublime. Something like after the enlightment and the french revolution, when the Romanticism flourished. There is something Che Guevarish about especially young people. No one wants solutions. As for immigrants, Much like what God Must Be Atheist kind of says above, "maybe it will get better in 50 years..." and for environmental matters its like "we must find a new lifestyle". There is always something romantic. And not only with the young people. Especially ladys who had their hey days around 68 are spamming facebook flows with "open our hearts" and "find new lifestyle" while the guys going to SD, our semi-nazi party are constantly posting liks to newspaper with crimes committed by immigrant root people and do like the ostrich when CO2 emissions are mentioned.

People seem not to want to acknowledge problems as problems. And bloody difficult problems. Problems that need solutions. And problems where it is wise to go about carefully. As a person that absolutely hate SD, the nationalistic party I would NEVER say that a generous admittance of refugees or immigrants should be allowed, integration MUST work. And I would never say that "there is no CO2 threat, there are scientists saying otherwise bla bla". The romantic left disappeared when the yuppie years arrived and were happily gone until last 10-15 year or so. Now there are posh "activists" all over the place. I feel no need for activism. I feel need for difficult problems handled in a careful manner. General rule - keep the daytime working classes in a position where they feel reasonably safe. And you can do a lot. But those guys don't want revolutions. Che was a medical student...

Notice where the US and Sweden are on this statistics: — ssu

This is very old data. Death by shootings has increased dramatically. But what really make people jam into the nazi-root nationalist party(SD) is the robberys, harrassment, explosions committed by immigrant root people. The political situation is terrible.

Does being gay mean being more... "artistic", "sensitive", and so on? Based on my 74 years of experience as an exclusively gay man, the stereotypically artistic, sensitive, highly emotional homosexual is mostly baloney. Yes, there are gay men who fit that description, but most don't, and of course there are some straight men who do, though most don't.

Are gay men more promiscuous than straight men? Yes. So, AIDS definitely dropped a monkey wrench into the gears of the orgy factory. With appropriate precautions the good times continue to roll, but not quite in as inhibited a manner as before. New diseases require new responses. Is one supposed to wear a mask while getting a blow job in the park? — Bitter Crank

Since the guys I know do not fit into those stereotypes I dont care about them, they do exist, cannot say i love them.

That male gays copulate more than straight guys is to me a no-brainer since it is the women who (with good reasons) are picky and restrictive. If women could be as spontaneous as men the copulation frequency would be higher supposedly. There must be papers on this. Maybe being considered ugly is not as disadvantageous for men as for women? I doubt that gays gets more solely bcause they are gay.

Live in Norway, in the city I live in I've heard reports of racist hostility or violence against:

Two Somali men, one Nigerian man, at least three Eritreans, two Ethiopian men, one Sudanese woman, two Congolese men, two Kurdish men, an Iraqi man and an Iranian man.

Since a couple of years ago, I've seen quite a few people wearing far right signifiers in bars - including a young man with a fucking cobweb on his eye. More of them recently.

The impression I get is that they came out of the woodwork after the Syrian civil war, the "threat of Islamisation" seems to be their animating bugbear at the minute - so I imagine it's continuous with anti-Middle-Eastern racist populism across Europe. — fdrake

You aint from Sweden.

started with Finnland, and the article came from BBC, then went over to Sweden, and the search term brought me this wonderfully infomative response:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden

It's really good, informative, I believe what it says. — god must be atheist

This might possibly have been the situation in 2017(statistics for crimes among immigrants is a politically hot potato) but sadly, things have been worsening since then. The number of robberies where immigrant kids rob ”indigneous” kids have doubled and are now nearing 2000 every year. The robberies are getting more and more brutal too, urinating, beating and even raping. This is highly alarming. ”Indigneous” kids who do not have parents that can arrange for special schools are also systematically bullied by immigrant kids. Bombs exploded in houses where many people lives is also something that do not affect only the intended targets, member of rivalling gangs.

Believe me, the situation is very very bad, has worsen dramatically last years.

Since it is very hard to get answers to this I have began read autobiograpies of famous people born rich and gone left. I read de Beauvoir a couple of years ago, but had to stop when I read about how she made mayhem at home but noone interrupted. She was same age as my grandfather, and if one of his daughters or sons had behaved like that, my great-grandfather, the blacksmith would have had none of it.

Sartres mother was rather the opposite, frightened to subordination, but Sartre himself was spoiled beyond comprehension, if one believes what Sartre himself recites. OK, he was the opposite of DeBeauvoir, little lord Fauntleroy with no father , but still, mo authority, no consequeces if you did bad.

Thats as far as I have come in Le Mots. Extremely well written, and I really looking forward to the further adventures of you g Jean-Paul, and hopefully some answers to my questions.

Now I will check your stories of immigrants beating up local kids, raping them and urinating on them; how often that happens; and what happens to the perpetrators of such crimes. I will also check your stories on drug use and related crimes in your Scandinavian country. I assume it's either Norway, Sweden or Finland. Estonia, Latvia and LIthuania are considered Baltic countries; I don't know if Denmark is counted as Baltic, Scandinavian or simply just Northern European. — god must be atheist

Its Sweden, to make your checkup easier.
Take my word for it, I am NOT a coverup racist who goes looking for arguments to create bad publicity. I have worked multinatioally for decades and love people from different cultures, and do find soulmates from all over the world. What really hurts me is, first of all the suffering and hate between us indigenous and the newcomers. And we do make an extremely bad example for immigration.
If you want to, I can send you articles. Or you can check any of the big newspapers. Aftonbladet.se is free, the closest to social democracy.

Occam goes : skip the socks you look sissy in sandals with socks on anyways.

What, exactly, is (a) homosexual? — tim wood

Why need to be exact? A guy that comes out of the cupboard an admit that he prefers to fuck guys, thats exact enough for me. I only know homo guys and this has been kind of the process. Guess lesbos are pretty much the same.

On Android if you hold your finger down on a word it will eventually highlight — StreetlightX

A-ha! My mother(let her rest in peace) always told me I’m too hasty and how right she was. Thank you! (Replied on my iphone)

There have been enough women fuckers among men and men fuckers among women to let the race survive. That Homosexuals still do exist must mean that there are a strong drift in us to look for a mate and that there is some kind of attraction to the same sex rooted in us. Reading the first dialogues is like reading about a Gay Wunderland. My thought, always having been boringly hererosexual is that the reach out to a person as different to you as a person from another sex is not what you want if you are homo. You want one that is more like yourself. Just what pops up in my head.

Purely mechanical, both holes are attrative for both partners. Its funnny that the shit hole can give so pleasurable feelings. And that is from a deeeply hetero guy.

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would hate to be in a position to look into the minds of many people and see what they are looking for. But I would venture to say, they are not looking for people beaten up, or raped, or robbed, or killed. They are looking for equality, solidarity, and all kinds of ~ity. But they know the road is long to achieve that, and many things must be laid down for the paving of that road: education, not just formal, but about the human nature. Eradicating illicit drug trade. Eradicating extreme exploitation (slavery). etc.

What I suggest for you to learn how a privileged lady in the upper echelons of society can be motivated to preach tolerance, is to read the book "Les Miserables" in your language, I am sure it's been translated into that from French. In it, a man gets out of prison; wonders down the road, and gets overnight stay in a wealthy man's home. He gets up at night, steals a silver candle-holder, and takes off. The cops get him, take him to the rich old man's house. The rich old man immediately sizes up the situation, and says, "My good man, you forgot to take the other silver candle-holder to go with the one I gifted you with!" And to the bufflement of the cops, they need to release him, and he wonders away now with two silver candle-holders.

Another suggestion for you, seeing your attitude has been established, and i can't change it any way I try, is for you to join the Hitlerjugend that has probably sprung up in your country and you find solace and understanding with your personal views shared by many there.

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First of all, thank you for a reply I really do appreciate!
Second: the sad thing in my home country, I think you can guess which, the small nazi-like party that used to have very few followers now is almost the biggest party in my country. Stories about kids of refugees attacking totally unknown "white" kids, beating them, urinating on them even raping them along with a tremendous lot of shootings among criminal gangs of kids of immigrants have created a racism far greater than I experienced growing up during the later decades of the last millenia.
Our government is mainly social democrats and people there have had a very permissive attitude to immigration. They do get a tremendous lot of shit for the situation, but those guys have really tried to cope with being a country of empathy but at the same time get a decent assimilation.

The guys really not having any borders are eg a lot of my facebook friends, that i have due to my class journey, marriage and interest in humanities. People from wealthy academical homes that still say "we cannot wait for assimilation we have to let all suffering people come here"l. Like - do you have a brain??? - i do not of course answer that because of eg family friendship. But listen, If it gets total chaos here - It is really near that, even the big socialist newspapers admit it on their home pages, other western countries will hear about this. Will they be prone to receive refugees???

Maybe reading that book will make me understand how these people think. I cannot discuss it directly with them.

Third: May I guess that you grew up in a prosperous, academical background? Your initial post suggests that the empathy was the main reason to go left. What one as a guy from poorer backgrounds that really do not understand his new neighbourhood then asks is - Is is conceptually like the guys with empathy becomes left and the guys without become right? This is of course stupid, but can you - if you are from academic background - elaborate on the process of selecting view here?

To make things a little less abstract, if I may for a second, how do you look upon the question of admitting refugees from middle east conflicts to a western european country, and how is that based on your political beliefs? And in what social background did you get those political beliefs?
Facts are - a lot of the kids of the refugees becomes criminal and carries a deep hate for people living in the receiving country. But still, those people may escape from an early death in their home countries.

(I feel my English got a bit Scandinavian here but i hope i was reasonably clear...)

Cops having the best firepower and preferably the only firepower is kind of the shit here. Now, having middle east refugees in our country I can see that the police-only force was a late 1900’s european lullaby and people need to get armed. Sadly.

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However, even the really good posters, you will have a great time agreeing with but will you ever actually add to their knowledge or change their opinions on something? It is exceedingly rare to see that happen (and be noted). I won't speculate as to why that is, all I can say is that if you come to forums like this hoping for that kind of thing, I would advise you that you're wasting your time.
I answer I dont really think that the success of a thread is individual posts or even posters. Its if, for instance, someone can kind of wrap up what has been said an made a kind of summary. That works pretty well in eg some political forums I sometimes visit.

How many actually READ a dialogue between two combattants as bystanders?

WroteI'm jealous, the early internet seemed like a pretty cool place. The pioneering days, before the digital suburbia popped up.

I answer Naah, guys sat on low speed links watching low resolution nude pics afraid that their bosses, like me, would come into the room... seriously, It was same, same but poorer equipment. Thing with the 90’s though was the positive derivata. Computing was a nerd thing from the 70’s into the 80’s until nerd Berners-Lee happened to do some stuff that made the PC usable for non-nerds. Cd rom making games attractive too. The hey days peaked with napster. Last 10 years nothing new has really happened. So thats boring. But activities are pretty mych same same. My son would argue highly for esport to be a plus for now and maybe thats correct.

i really dont think so! But I guess I am old enough maybe, and unless my fellow fatherormotherofsonanddaughterinuniveritys i do not whine about my brain getting moldy or anthing. I first came in serious contact with philosopy when I finally puked on the manager career, had some bad breaks in the IT Bubble crash, when I was finished rebuilding the house, settling in a nicer but poorly paid IT job and when the kids did mot need that much handling any longer. I read History of Ideas(really called something else in USGB supposedly) evening time after work, first time in life a subject really captured me and since then its been more than a decade of reading Sein und Zeits, Nozicks, Rawls and all kinds of philosophical magazines, reading great stuff people have contibute with on Wikipedia, youtube, IEP, SEP and harvard/yale even give you recordings of fantastic lecture series.

This is no tradgedy, this are the hey days of my life. I have been in bed with my IPad reading and writing for a couple lf hour. Off now to read, trying to find out why rich kids Sartre and Althusser REALLY became bollinger bolshies. This is no comedy or tradgedy, this is good stuff to do and I wont get up until after noon!

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Nearly every philosophical idea is going to be contentious in some way, if you post anything about religion, for example, anything at all, it will probably end up being a debate between atheists and believers. There is no way to avoid this kind of thing as far as I can tell.

I answer like this because my Ipad dont have that button popping up:
Thats kind of so but its kind of stupid in some ways. Its like we have come nowhere since the Dialogues. The idea that “my ism” is better than yours is running through the societies like never before. I does not have to be like that. You can leave your trenches, get up on the higher grounds where “this is simply a hard question” and try to find ways together. If an ism is to “win” you will never get anywhere or simply repeat arguments told dozens of time before probably only in this forum?

You guys who love to take part in a lenghty argument, what do you hope to 1. Gain for yourselves 2.contribute to other readers with from a factual and readable point of view?

Ive been in “forums” on and off since way before the WWW and well, try again here. I know it aint easy. But just because somethings are hard they do not have to be impossible.

One thing, why must these forum have these bloody pages. Forums are so much nicer than reddit to read in a way, but they have done away with that, you can just scroll. Gotta be some guys out there with brains better than mine that can evolve the forum concept. If you google up the first smiley thread from computer stone age not much has happened... its like I ask for a new Brin or Zuckerberg here... or preferrably a Linus Thorvalds... but one that do not talk nerdish and invents GIT.

Sounds great. Then you have found your way around. So, seeing a thread eg concerning a philosopher you are interested in, Althusser say, and 14 pages of stuff has already been written - what do you do?

The discussions on this forum seem to take on a life of their own. You are right that one should try not to derail a thread, but information is almost always introduced that inevitably leads to this conclusion. Even with the most intelligent people I have discoursed with on this forum this is the case.

You made the charge of "ego stroking," which is not an articulation I would use, but to each their own. In order for this to be the case, as I understand it, one must be driven, not by the desire to get at truth, but to prove something about themselves. I have consciously tried to strike out against this in my life as a thinker. One must not confuse vigor of dialogue for insecurity of ego.

"Whatever is started two hotshots take over the discussion." This is exceedingly generalized. You cannot mean that every time two people have repetition of conversation between themselves on a thread that this automatically proves they are doing something wrong? I am not sure what you mean by "take over?" I am open to being corrected if I am doing something wrong on a thread, but you will not simply be able to stick it to me through authority or your wounded feelings. I am not a moralist and don't much care for them.

These seem like cheap shot generalizations, poisoning of the well. If you disagree with something I say or am doing then confront me on it, not passive aggressive stuff like this. — JerseyFlight

I'm not saying right or wrong, I just want to get knowledge and pleasure from a forum thread.

One thing I sometimes do when I start a thread is to try to make an "abstract"(my english fails me here) in the OP of what has been said in the thread. That is a way to try to get the juicy parts out of it.
Maybe I should do it for this thread.

Probably AI can do good stuff in the future. But I would prefer new types of media that really enhances seeking of knowledge together.

I found a snapshot of philosophy sites in 1995...
https://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/LocalFile/PhiloServ.html — apokrisis

That was pretty good for 95. Everything isnt better now. At that time people took effort to present info in an organized manner. Try to get the most important news from eg a newspaper site now...

So it's not about empathy, at the root of it. Honestly speaking, it's about commitment to an idea or a principle. It's about solving an idea. Solving a problem. Lets leave empathy out of it. — BitconnectCarlos

Thats not what it seems to me, reading eg the FB posts from my friends in the academic left. Its more like just that "collective empaty". There is seldom a solution to a complex question. Refugees -"just let them come, no limitations, we have to open our hearts". CO2 emissions - "We have to find a new lifestyle". And this is from otherwise highly intelligent persons that for most other questions can acknowledge a problem as difficult and take part in a solution.

Yeah, see that button on my laptop now. Guess this forum was built before-smartphone...

what you descrbed above works on every other forum using ipad. The above is what I get when pressing that button running on Ipad. Probably not working for IOS.

I am from scandinavia. A very very large amount of refugees are admitted to my country. From middle east and Somalia. A very large number of those immigrants commit crimes. Rob and beat people. There are a lot of shootings between criminal gangs. Etnically scandinavian kids do get beaten in school. And still, wealthy, left-leaning ladys call for ”solidarity”. Is that what a upperclass person with left-leaning views are looking for? ( and how to include the text you want to reply to? The arrow just gives the tag above on my Ipad)