Is what I just said ‘true’? No. It is a theory of why we have a such strong impulses to believe in things like ‘god/s’ — I like sushi

Im not sure I understand the answer to the "why".

My view is more like the Jungian view of the collective unconscious - we create the world we live in as much as the world creates us. The idea/archetype of ‘god’ is more or less the Heirophant (the process that delineates between them. — I like sushi

Physical reality is shaped by mental reality and vice-versa. We constantly mediate between the outer and inner world. We find ourselves in the middle, in between the brain and the world outside, tied to both we play along, like the gods.

The trouble with your windup hat, is that you are in danger of becoming just another theistic guy who cries 'wolf'/god when no wolf/god, ever appears, after a while, your shouts are ignored — universeness

I dont ask them to show up! It's you who's crying wolf about that.

God Delusion, Richard Dawkins — Agent Smith

Indeed! Dawkins truly is a mental case...

My point is that if such beings exist they are beyond my conception so talking about them is futile just like talking about square circles. — I like sushi

What makes a god difficult to conceive? They are just like us or any other cresture.

How convenient! — universeness

For the gods, yes. How else would the universe be able to function. Besides, they have shown themselves! Just look around you! All of life, all organisms. Intruding destroys. And because they see their creation being destroyed by the human carbon copies of the homonid gods, they try to reach us. Hidden variables are good for that, but only when people dream.

The obvious question is then what makes your story real and mine a fantasy — I like sushi

What's your story? That gods are a human invention?

We have a rather limited and finite experience of the universe. There is no evidence to suggest what you are suggesting. It is a story only. — I like sushi

How do you know? If it's just a story why even telling it? If you have closed all gaps, what's left to conclude? The gods made it clear in a dream and some people on this forum helped even for the story to become. How do you know its a fantasy story?

That doesn’t make it ‘true’ just useful to us in a certain way. — I like sushi

The theological story is true and thats the reason it gives meaning. Scientific stories are true also but lack meaing.

I could tell you a story about how I lived in a giant shoe for a year but it doesn’t make the story rea — I like sushi

That's a fantasy, not a story about reality.

but we have no direct experience of such concepts so it does not make sense to talk about what such beings do anymore than a race of people would be able to see colour — I like sushi

We have direct experience of the universe. Heaven is just as the universe. The difference is that it's divine. We, and all universal creatures, just act out what they did eternally.

The definition of ‘god’. You said they/it is ‘infinite’ and ‘eternal — I like sushi

The gods are not infinite and eternal. Heaven is.

don’t understand what truth has to do with a story in the sense you seem to be framing it? — I like sushi

The story is the truth. What else we got?

All I can say for the time being is that destruction is a phase in creation. — Agent Smith

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to suggest to you that the ‘god’ you seem only able to vaguely define — I like sushi

Vaguely define? The universe is a carbon copy of heaven. All creatures in the universe exist as gods in heaven. What's vague?

That is just a story you made up. — I like sushi

That's a theology, or better, a theonomy. How do you know its not true?

Darwinain sorcery! — Agent Smith

Darwinism: Sorcery in the Classroom?

The idea that every fantasy story told by Marvel comics is true is more likely than your theistic posits. — universeness

Except that Marvel characters are fantasies.

Your just 'havin a laugh — universeness

With you always! :smile:

So you are claiming that these gods are powerful enough to create a Universe and creatures such as us within it but they have no ability to physically manifest within it. — universeness

Precisely! They would disturb the natural order, their own creation. Once in a while they succeed but the message is mistaken always.

don’t understand how you can say some beings have ‘good reason’ without knowing what he reason is? — I like sushi

The reason was that they were fed up with eternal existence. Endlessly playing the game of love and hate. Let's hope they don't get fed up watching us!

These all feature in religious practices and they have some beneficial uses but can obviously be dangerous. — I like sushi

But if you consider the theology manmade, what substance has it?

Then shoe us in the town squares and say so you cowardly, nonexistant gods! — universeness

The problem is, they have created the universe but are not omnipotent. All heavenly creatures, from the tiniest viruses in the heavenly granules and squads, to the biggest blue whales were involved. An existential void had befallen heaven. They only wanted to lay back and watch. They succeeded but didn't take homonid gods into good account in the eager and enthusiasm to create love and hate particles (which we observe as elementary particles).

My view is more or less the reverse of yours. I see humanity as creating god/s and this doesn’t make them ‘lesser’ as they are cumulative aspects of all humanity expressed in multiple ways - and it is telling that there are common features across all cultures too. — I like sushi

But if only imaginary, what meaning they give?

BS! Whatever floats your boat, sir/madam! — Agent Smith

Why is that bs?

think polytheism makes more sense as people can role play certain things and deal with problems piecemeal rather than try and ‘act out’ being Jesus or some such thing. — I like sushi

Wise words! Would you believe me when I say I had a revelation that I saw in a dream?

I have no issue with you believing that some beings created other beings. I cannot except that you have knowledge of ‘infinity’/‘eternal’ matters though. — I like sushi

Can't you imagine a heaven? Its just like our universe, that has no beginning in space as well as time. Well, the current universe is actually bound with a bginning in time, with the possibility that infinite big bangs occur, inflating away from a central singularity (in a 4d space, which on small scale is actually 7d but that are physical technicalities). So heavenly life is just as life in the universe. The gods had good reasons to create this infinite series of big bangs on a 4d infinite substrate space.

Bro Steef .wait....is that just static...crrrrcrcrecccrcreagggg...cgg...crrrrrhu...hum...humaccccccrrrr....hu.....crrrrrrrff.....humanscrrrrr......yo.....crrrf....you.......crrrrfff....yourfu.....crrftttddddjjjhgggfff......

BroEuge... wtf?

Then its silent

"Dj Steef and Eugene! Thanks for tuning to us! We triedages reaching you. Godkind want mankind to know to take better care of creation. We wanna watch a while longer. Many gods watch a world where they no longer live in an...crrrf....ggggffggfhh.....pppiiiiiiiiijtssds....

Damned Steef! It actually worked!

Problem is, as always, that the physical must be responsible for the mental..... — Mww

The mental resides in matter. Like charge in an electron.

Not believing in the teapot orbiting Jupiter is along the same lines. Why would I believe such a thing? Whatever this ‘god’ is define it and see what I think. — I like sushi

The gods are the eternal beings in an infinite eternal heaven. They made a carbon copy of it, so all gods are represented but as mortals. They have the power of creation.

Introducing by popular demand! Philosophical DJ EugeneW — universeness

Tonight on radio TPF. DJ Steef and Eugene, bringing you the voice of the gods. Directly from the heavens!!!

think it's mostly 'little old you and me' causing the main bulk — universeness

:lol: :lol:

You're my man Stephen!

and Thor? — universeness

I haven't yet received a message of him... But maybe he can speak in lightnings only. They try anything to contact us. The situation is getting out of hand. Had they only looked better at those hominid gods....

Frankly that is utter garbage. An atheist doesn’t ‘reject’ god, they just never really considered it at all — I like sushi

Now that's real garbage. Then how come this thread is 26 pages and half of all threads last week involve gods? The meaning of it all, why are things as they are? Good and evil, Christianity, free will, are there more than one?, etcetera. Check for yourself. Never before there were so many threads involving gods in two weeks...

I prefer the Hulk or The Vision or Dr Strange for my personal entertainment. — universeness

I like them too but they are just fantasies...

Well, I am sure some are happy just walking around and around a big rock in Mecca! — universeness

:lol:

Or around a monster particle accelerator in the sacred church of CERN.

Physics and metaphysics share an Uber. One sits in the front, one sits in the back, they don’t talk, and they pay their own way. All they have in common is the ride. — Mww

That's actually very close to my conception! I think we're a body between the physical world (the outer side of matter) and the inside brain world (the mental aspect).

It sounds nothing like worshipping a god to me. The Universe is not sentient — universeness

Is being sentient a pre for worshipping?

It sounds nothing like worshipping a god to me. The Universe is not sentient. Is YOUR god sentient? — universeness

Yes. The gods are sentient. Of course. They rest on their backs, wings, centipods, and just watch their creation, projected on the heavenly heavens. They explain and are a mystery at the same time. Why did they eternally make love and hate before they got bored and created the universe? No one knows!

There is no Universal identity based on an anthropomorphic she, there are only the lifeforms produced by naturalism. — universeness

What did you mean then by us creating a universe for the universe?

. For Christ's sake! — Gregory A

:lol:

Fair enough, if that's how you feel — universeness

It's not about how I feel but about your defense of atheism. It levels the religious propaganda. You state there is/are no god(s). You relocate creation to creation itself. You have a responsibility towards the universe. Sounds like worshiping a god.