Why would men ever make it harder that it already is by presenting women with the image of a perfect mate without possessing the wherewithal to ever match up to it. It's sexual suicide if you ask me — Agent Smith

This is a new angle indeed! Ha! Who knows, the ancient churchfathers were inspired by the wife. Putting forth the image of god as they wanted. But why didn't god send his daughter Christa?

God feels more the work of our women folk, no? :snicker: — Agent Smith

Now I understand why my wife yells "Oh my God" every time we ....! Damned the cheater!

Well I was pouring out how light is also non-physical (massless) and eternal (cannot be created or destroyed) — Benj96

But that holds for all particles. They are either real or virtual and mass and pure energy (light or gluons) are interchangeable. A real photon can get virtual again and excite a virtual electron to real (which gives seemingly two particles, an electron and a positron). The comparison with light is adequate though. Light has different colors and shapes. Holograms!

Where's the equivalent role model for women, young impressionable girls? I've heard people compliment women saying "beauty & brains"; however these are very casual references to Ms. Right, nothing official/formal about it. That's odd, oui? — Agent Smith

I couldn't agree more, brother Agent. Ouioui. The image of the father god is certainly a male invention. Xenophanes didn’t like the variety of gods in the ancient Greek world. I'm sure he envied the statues of the perfect Greek gods. To be replaced by him!

You are confusing the culture of religion with religion proper.  The religious individual does something quite different than religious culture does — Merkwurdichliebe

Exactly, dr Strangelove! I don't partake in any cultural activities regarding my religion, other than directly expressing it. I don't worship, don't pray, don't go to heaven or hell, don't seek to converse, read no religious books, and don't go to church. I see good and bad as a reflection of the eternal gods in eternal heaven. Get to know life and the universe and you know the gods and heaven.

Not if there is a causal, unidirectional time, and a causeless none directional, fluctuating one.

There are few women in philosophy, but (it's possible that) there's a lot of philosophy in women — Agent Smith

:lol:

The biggest philosophical, mathematical, scientific, or religious riddle: my wife, being built the wrong way round... but the right way for me!

Philosophers get off on intelligence. It's this intelligence they use as an unconscious form of procreation urge. Like male birds trying to impress the female bird and fights his male compagnons to establish who's the stringest or fittests, so male philosophers do with intelligence. Females tend to watch and pick the most intelligent. They have no need to impress with intelligence. Beauty is more important. Luckily, I have both qualities!

How you do dat? :nerd: — jgill

A cylinder looks 1D if it's radius is very small. Everywhere on the cylinder, there is a small circle perpendicular to the length direction. Same for three dimensions. Ìf,in 6D, three circles are perpendicular to the other three dimension, then, law and behold, you have a 3D Planckian hypersphere in 6D which looks globally like 3D. Like the circles on a cylinder look pointlike particles in 1D from afar. The Lorenz contraction only happens in the direction of motion, so the Planck length is constant! Damned! :nerd:

I've learned a new English word: reciprocate. My day's made too! Gnight brother Agent! :yawn:

am really interested in how one could relate delusion and hallucination. — Josh Alfred

Richard Dawkins' selfish genes and memes vision is a delusion. If you adhere to this delusion and see genes with ropes and strings directing cells, under the microscope, then you hallucinate.

No, simply because ideology is required to hold a state together. — praxis

If the ideology is that all worldviews and ways of life deserve a fair chance, yes.

I’ll make you a deal though, if you are not that type of theist. You get all the theists to respect the separation of church and state and ensure no theistic inspired action affects people not of that particular theistic belief and Ill make sure no atheist ever talks about or engages about god ever again. :wink: — DingoJones

Only now I saw the deal offered! Yes, agreed. But that should hold for every alliance between worldview, culture and state. Including the scientific worldview, institutionalized and by law intruding into the lives of people without them asking. :smile:

You're right about the 7D space though! But that's for the two hyperbolic two 4D spaces connected by a 4D (7D...) Planck-width wormhole to fit the virtual particles on the vacuum in. So the 3D (6D) fits the 4D (7D). The two seemingly 3D (6D...) closed spatial structures inflate from the wormhole in hyperbolic, repulsive gravity space. Dark energy, matter-antimatter asymmetry, left-handedness, and a Lorenz invariant Planck length swept away in one stroke of genius! And all that cause I can't find a job! (And dont want too...sssshhhh!).

And you have a gift: Humor. Seldom seen no more!

Yeah! Right on! Take another blow! Faaar out. :starstruck:

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The separation of church and state is a good thing if you believe that citizens should have religious freedom, if for no better reasons. — praxis

Shouldn't any worldview or culture and state be separated.?

BUT, that said, if the alternative to religious philosophy is nihilism or materialism — Wayfarer

You prefer nothing above material? Why? Materialism just says we are beautiful collections of matter particles. With smiling faces, arms, legs, a brain to think, etc. What's wrong with that?

Like every profession — Jackson

Ah! You see?

But admittedly I was not locking intellectual horns with Nobel laureates. — jgill

Exactly! And there the viciousness has a grip.

You're free to! There is jealousy, career-loss fear, inability and incapability to understand, competition. Where in academy did you stay?

Silly boy. I spent thirty enjoyable years in that environment. But admittedly I was not locking intellectual horns with Nobel laureates. — jgill

Silly man... :lol:

In an academy where nothing happens yes. But look if you put a new theory up. A theory with great potentiality but against established standard...

It's speculated the the Jews of the time period of Nebuchadnezzar sarcastically referred to him as "Lucifer", one who thought so highly of himself that the sun rose because of him: the Bringer of Light. — jgill

It's that why a match is called a lucifer?

One important aspect of academia is that it is a social environment in which researchers converse with one another, sharpening arguments and discarding mistakes — jgill

You have a naive picture of academic climate. Mostly it's thunder, rain, and storm, with occasional sunshine.

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No, the independent thinker just produces bollocky hogwash that he thinks "has scientific grounds", but is probably neither science nor philosophy and probably nothing remotely noteworthy — Tobias

Bullocks! That's your envy speaking. Or your blind obedience to the status quo. Like you think, scientific progress is never made. It are exactly the geniuses, the enlightening new insights, sending the standard home, that cause paradigm shifts, however much you might not like that.

How can gods and light be the same thing. Gods are non-physical eternal being in an eternal heaven. If the initiated the universe to let temporary divine material life evolve in as a temporary reflection of that heavenly life, could we use light as a metaphor maybe?

Not sure why they call themselves freethinkers. Why should believe in gods limit your freedom of thought?

To let the 3D space and thermodynamical time emerge in. So 4D spacetime. With appropiate hyperbolic curvature this explains dark energy. Of course there has to be a mechanism to keep matter confined to 4D. This can be taken care of if we consider a particle a 3d Planck-sized hypersphere, curled up from 3 dimensions in a 6d space. A Lorenz invariant Planck length! (The 3 extra dimensions being perpendicular to large 3 dimensions).

He is right though. In modern science, philosophy, or theology, very few original genius thinkers can be found. Most are mediocre, grey conformists, afraid to stick their heads out because of careers or loss of esteem. No easier life than the mediocre life.

Well than the bat gods be sound... (I do advice you to refrain from eating more mushrooms). — Tobias

The bat gods sounds? Why not just bats in heaven? Why would there be only One God living there as light? Talking bout mushrooms... It's a pity you can't buy them anymore! Man, did I see and hear colored spaghetti!

Bats do not believe in God at least not as far as we know. We believe in God and so picture him in our own terms. — Tobias

Why should they believe in gods? If the eternal heavenly gods created the temporary material universe in their image, bats do enough to just live and please the bat gods. Like we live to entertain the people gods.

In the dark we do not see anything. darkness is dangerous, light is good, — Tobias

That doesn't apply to the night creatures on the planets. Why should gods have no form and be light? The bat-gods would disagree.

The point of the secular state is to provide a framework within which you can practice any religion or none — Wayfarer

Then why is that called secular? Isn't it mandated that science is thought in schools? Isn't it mandated religion should be kept out of school?

A point particle was always a purely mathematical construct as it has 0 dimensional extensions. It only has coordinates in 3D space. 0 dim point particles were therefore not an important concept in the bootstrap approach — universeness

But particles are exactly what stuff is made of. How can you ignore them?

All further temporary forms, then, are but arrangements of the eternal something, as they would have to be, again such as 'particles' are directly the quanta of fields, not some new substance. — PoeticUniverse

Poetic!

But the eternal something can be eternal only wrt to the unidirectional thermodynamic time springing off from it. The 5D quantum vacuum itself has no direction in time. So eternal doesn't apply to it.

A point particle was always a purely mathematical construct as it has 0 dimensional extensions. It only has coordinates in 3D space. 0 dim point particles were therefore not an important concept in the bootstrap approach. — universeness

Which only goes to show what nasty influence math can have.

Personally I quite like Krishnamurti - I still own a few of his books. As mystics go, he is one of the better ones. And I say this as a heathen. — Tom Storm

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I think Bohm wouldn't mind. He was called a Trotskyan, a mindless juvenile, a %$%#% etc. No wonder he got depressed. Blaming him to have had intercourse with a mystic is not too hard to swallow.

The cause can be acausal. Which raises the question, what caused the acausality lying beneath all phenomena? The always doesn't apply to a causeless timeless structure.

I thought it was about presenting an argument? — Jackson

Philosophy is more than arguing!

sorry but I'm layman for these things. — SpaceDweller

It sounds more heavy than it actually is. Though the quantum vacuum is predicted to have infinite energy, and thus mass. But they made a failure which I will not get inti now. The 5D quantum vacuum is just a 4 dimensional space structure with virtual particles rotating in it. This is time going up and down, without forward or backward direction.