There isn't a problem with the logic. The problem is that the premise isn't saying what it superficially seems to be saying. — Michael
They are completely different. The implicit connotation in the OP makes perfect sense. Your parallel is perfect nonsense. Not all parlor tricks are created equal. The parlor trick of the OP is a great deal better than your attempt regarding billionaires. Your argument possesses no plausibility because it is so obviously unsound. You are trying to make yourself a billionaire with specious reasoning. The OP is not praying on the supposition that God does not exist. — Leontiskos
Logical equivalence is not determined solely by symbolic representation, especially in light of the interpretive choices made when translating from natural language to formal logical symbols. — Benkei
Deductive logic ensures that if the premises are true, the conclusion must also be true. Obviously when the premises are true, a valid deductive conclusion will say something about the world. — Benkei
Your second argument is not inductively supported because the conclusion is supported by the definition of mammal. It's like saying, all bachelors are single, John is single and therefore a bachelor. There's no probability involved that a single man isn't a bachelor. — Benkei
So I guess what's the bigger picture? — schopenhauer1
No, I don't think so. The OP is nowhere near as "ridiculous" as your argument about billionaires. The English argument of the OP makes sense in a way that you haven't recognized. I don't see that any of this has to do with deduction vs. induction. — Leontiskos
Can you have a non-sequitur critique of a structurally valid statement? Does content matter? — schopenhauer1
But let's assume that a human could be born and be viable even with anencephaly. Well, it's okay to kill it. It has no cognition, no consciousness, no capacity for pain or sense of the world. It's just a beating heart and pumping lungs wrapped in a skeleton, muscles, and skin. — Michael
As mentioned in an earlier comment to you, the evidence suggests that thalamocortical connectivity is required, which occurs ~24 weeks after conception, and so I support abortion up to around that point. — Michael
What is innocence, and why is it very important to society and law? — Shawn
What I aim at is a better understanding why I am not happy with my own progress, which I won't ask others to diagnose; but, perhaps see if what I am saying might be true — Shawn
They are not the same. — Banno
Not all sorities can be resolved in this way, certainly. But this one can, and I knew it would be example — AmadeusD
So it's not exactly the case that we ought not kill them because they are a person, but that they are a person and we ought not kill them because they have thoughts and feelings and wants and so on. — Michael
I'll again point out that the interests and preferences of the person carrying are much more apparent than those of the zygot or cyst or foetus. We do not need an agreed definition of personhood in order to understand that while the mother can tell us what she wants, the conceptus' needs are only ever inferred. They are not of equal standing. — Banno
A good point, but then resemblance is not a sufficient criterion either, since a dead human body still resembles a person pretty exactly but isn't a person. — Echarmion
Beyond that we do afford rights to human beings whose ability to behave as a person has been temporarily or permanently damaged to some extent. I think this can be easily accommodated as being out of an abundance of caution, which seems a reasonable strategy to adopt. — Echarmion
It is unambiguously not a person, not a human being with memories, needs, and preferences. — Banno
I don't think it was a violation. P1 says something about 'whatever begins to exist', but a claim that God didn't begin to exist expiicitly exempts itself from P1. — noAxioms
Therefore, the universe has a cause for its beginning — MoK
By all means, may 'merca have a sane ethical and political discussion, without divine intervention. — Banno
Murder is unlawful killing. It's not murder if abortion is legal. — Banno
This premise is self-contradictory.1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause for its beginning — MoK
The main thing to note is that we've added valuable and relevant human content to this thread, thus shaming ChatGPT into silence. — Baden
Thank you for your blog about Cyprus. I never knew there was so much dust there. Construction work can certainly be noisy and inconvenient during a holiday. B+ — Baden
Thank you for your short story about Henry and his toy train. I will never forget it. C+. — Baden
But we're not permitted to kill the unconscious, so that must not be the basis for deciding if someone is a person.
— Hanover
If a child is brain dead and being kept alive on life support, the parents can decide to harvest the organs and remove life support. This society puts a lot of emphasis on the (supposed) personhood-brain connection. — RogueAI
"haha, I'll keep acting unethically and reap the benefits of unethical behaviour".
Thank you for your irrelevant opinion. — Benkei
subsidiary argument which may not have been mentioned is, "Any species which develops systematic means to kill 70+ million of its own fetuses each year is messed up." A species which so buttresses the killing of its own offspring is not in good shape. For a species to intentionally kill its own fetuses is exceedingly unnatural. — Leontiskos
Good points. But I'm wondering. We can say therr are just killings of people. For example, it's not murder when we execute a convicted murderer. Or when we kill in self-defence. But what is an example of a just killing of a fetus? When it puts the pregnant woman's life in danger seems like an obvious example. Any others? — Patterner
It's interesting when it becomes more of a challenge to invent a problem than for the AI to solve it. — Christoffer