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  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    Talk to the hand.Punshhh

    That's a bummer.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    Intelligence is a higher order than consciousness. Every average Joe possesses sapience and consciousness. But not all of them work at SpaceX (analytical, technical, or mathematical intellect).
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    I hope you'd have counterarguments on your way back.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    Cellular organisms. I think you’ll find that all living things are composed of colonies of cellular organisms.Punshhh

    I've already stated that in the OP.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    Intelligence is the cognitive ability to understand and interpret. Do atoms have that?Copernicus

    Intelligence gives birth to agency. Otherwise, we'd have to assume, according to your hypothesis, that non-living matters are paralyzed living creatures and the only thing that separates life from death is movement (although I don't know how you'd standardize that).
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    I didn't ask for a formal definition, but the fundamental idea that works as the baseline.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    Neither do youpunos

    Basis of this accusation?

    Atoms don't interpret with cognitive ability. They obey.Copernicus

    Intelligence is the cognitive ability to understand and interpret. Do atoms have that?
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    Explainpunos

    Atoms don't have free will. They follow the principle of causality.

    Non-living things don’t have choice, but they do have obedience.
    Every atom, every particle behaves according to the same patterns: conservation of energy, momentum, charge, entropy.

    Even in quantum mechanics, where events look random, the randomness isn’t lawless — it’s probabilistic law.
    You can’t predict which atom will decay at what moment, but you can predict the rate of decay across many atoms with astonishing precision. That regularity means causality still holds at the statistical level.

    So a single particle can’t “decide” to ignore physics any more than a number can decide not to be even or odd.

    The atom is not bound by causality; it is causality crystallized.

    Non-living matter obeys causality.
    Living, sentient matter interprets causality.

    Atoms don't interpret with cognitive ability. They obey. But actually, the obedience itself creates/forms atoms.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    That's just twisting facts.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    What mitochondria and cells do?Punshhh

    That's not a definition.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    that's not uniformity or identical behaviour.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    Humans do interact uniformly with other humans. Can you give an example of humans not interacting uniformly?punos

    You don't talk to me or touch me the same way you do with your wife, nor do you approach your wife in the same repetitive loop every day. But all hydrogen atoms behave identically with oxygen atoms.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    Atoms behave as atoms when interacting with other atoms, demonstrating the same level of intelligence. The same applies to molecules, though molecules utilize atomic intelligence in some of their interactions or communications. The shape of a molecule enables novel forms of interaction that cannot occur through single-atom interactions alone. Because of this, more complex processes can occur at the molecular level than at the atomic level, even though the atoms within a molecule continue to behave as atoms.punos

    You miss out the important argument. If humans don't interact uniformly with other humans, why do atoms? They're not "small" in the absolute sense, only in relation to us.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    I don't believe in the fundamentality of anything, definitely not tangible matter.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    All elements exist at the same scale or level of emergent organization.punos

    What is that supposed to mean? Humans (made of atoms) and atoms have same level of intelligence?
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    what makes you think atoms are fundamental elements? They could be multiverses of something much smaller.

    I hope you're familiar with the infinite loop universe theory.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    "they"?punos

    The elements at different scales.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    Restate or rephrase more clearly please. I think i understand the first sentence, but not the second.punos

    Meaning they will show significant variance in terms of intelligence, hence the effect would be monumental, or should I say, astronomical.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    Intelligence at that level is not as versatile as ours at our level.punos

    Intelligence at the atomic level is much more versatile than quark levels, which is more versatile than energy levels, which is more than the spatial level, and so on.

    Just because it's intricate to us doesn't mean it is universally (humans would appear as hive minds on galactic scales). So there must be differences and effects of that if your hypothesis is right.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    How does the effect know what form to take, and how does the cause know what and how to affect? Intelligence.punos

    Intelligence is subjective and influencable.

    My intelligence and yours aren't the same. But if two atoms or electrons showed different levels of cognitive abilities, the fabric of space-time would collapse.

    Not to mention it can be tempered, like humans having brain damage or autism.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    according to the model i'm operating from.punos

    Yes, I know. But you said some argue otherwise. I responded to that.

    How does sentience know how to react to the stimuli? Intelligence.punos

    Simple cause-and-effect is dependent upon intelligence (cognitive due diligence)? So, if an element lacks intelligence, it won't react anymore?

    not exactly my vision of the next phase.punos

    It was symbolic. The nature might be different, but not necessarily the proportion.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    consciousness is fundamentalpunos

    That wouldn't make sense. What consciousness does a chunk of mud have?

    Intelligencepunos

    You mean sentience (reaction to stimulus)?

    I project that another emergence, as unique to consciousness as physics is to life, will occur at some point in our future.punos

    Isn't that the argument of this post?


    The Star Child from 2001: A Space Odyssey addressed the next phase of evolution decades ago.
  • name calling and Scrabble
    Let Copernicus Post

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  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    “living”Punshhh

    Do we have an undisputed definition for it, though?
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    What I meant is that the same way the eyes themselves cannot see them, without external help, consciousness itself cannot interpret (look within) itself.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    Which one is better evidence of the color of your eyes - hearing someone telling you your eye color, or looking in the mirror?Harry Hindu

    What if I'm alone in a galaxy with no reflective substance to see myself?
  • Tranwomen are women. Transmen are men. True or false?
    I accidentally quoted myself and now can't find anything relevant to replace it with.
  • Tranwomen are women. Transmen are men. True or false?
    humans mistake statistical or biological tendencies for moral truths
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    Did you even read the post you were responding to?Harry Hindu

    Did you (check what I responded to)?

    Ever looked in a mirror?Harry Hindu

    It's like:
    — Humans can't fly because they don't have wings.
    — Ever been in an airplane?
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    That's not even a logical argument. Read the metaphor.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    I see.

    Or perhaps it can be framed as an argument from monistic perspective.

  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    misleading starting pointMetaphysician Undercover

    Because my papers are part of a series, and I've already defended monism in previous papers.
  • What is Time?
    Time (not the flow of it) is the phenomenon of space and matter being driven (pushed forward involuntarily) by a mysterious force.

    I'd have to present my proposition on that to explain.
  • Who is the Legitimate Author of the Constitution?
    I don't like the idea of ​​a state without a constitution.Astorre

    Why do we need a state?
  • What makes nature comply to laws?
    Nature isn't a hive mind. It has no central command. Nature itself is not an entity. Nature is the collective body of scattered elements. These elements follow the principle of causality. Similar causes yield similar responses. These patterned responses are called the laws of nature.

    The universe does not tolerate deviation.
    A proton has a precise charge of +1. An electron orbits in fixed quantized shells.
    Water always freezes at 0°C under standard conditions. These are not arbitrary
    properties—they are fixed, consistent, and inescapable.

    This cosmic selectivity creates coherence: without it, there would be no chemistry, no
    biology, no consciousness. If nitrogen had three electrons “once in a while,” the
    periodic table would collapse; the fabric of reality would disintegrate.

    Thus, the rigidity of law is the condition for existence.
    Without selection, there is no identity. Without constraint, there is no form. The
    universe is selective because only selectivity can sustain being.

    Alam, T. B. (2025). The Selective Universe: Order, Entropy, and the Philosophical Paradox of Natural Rigidity [Zenodo]. https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17341242
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    And I asked YOU why do you need to know?apokrisis

    Because they're connected. Every element of the universe is an image of the universe itself. Elements project the universe, the universe projects its elements.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    you said there is no pure chaos. From that argument, the universe will never lose control.

    So I asked YOU on what you conclude as the fate of the cosmos.
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    I asked, what does cosmology say about dualism?
  • Cellular Sentience and Cosmic Bigotry
    are you saying the universe will forever last?