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  • Implications of Intelligent Design
    A bold, empty and unsubstantiated position.charleton

    I can't carry on a conversation with the void. it's just not possible.
  • Implications of Intelligent Design
    As I said , it is of no importance the LITERAL meaning of evolution.
    In the context of the thread we are interested in the entire body of theory which points to the apparent design through automatically, rather than intelligently guided development.
    This is not a lesson in the origin of words, but the origin of species.
    The literal meaning gives a completely false view point.
    When you unroll a scroll you are revealing what is preordained by the fact that the text is already written. Evolution is about the way species respond from changes in the environment via variation and mutation to produce novel adaptations and new species.
    If they were LITERALLY evolving they would just be showing us what was already intended, as by God for instance.
    charleton

    You're wrong in thinking "the body of theory" points towards anything. Science is as confounded as it ever was about origin so taking any position is merely personal impression and nothing more. I don't know if I can explain to you what evolution has to do with rolling or not because certain concepts have to be present. The first concept is "undulation" the rise and fall of waves which are generated (like in a speaker) through the forces of expansion and contraction. Earth is subject to the forces created by the moon and the sun through respective movements but also we have other wave like forces acting on our environment like gravity. I'm gonna let that concept try and sink in and maybe approach this later.
  • Implications of Intelligent Design
    I don't think you're looking for the actual meaning of the word evolution but rather it's common usage which is partly defined as "the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form."
    — Jon

    Etymological and semantic arguments are not relevant here.
    charleton

    Since you don't like any of my answers why don't you tell me what evolution means literally?
  • Implications of Intelligent Design
    If there is no force opposing entropy why is heat death so far off and only a theory at that? Why do we see evolutionary convergence? Why after each mass extinction does life return more complex, more experiential and more intelligent forms re-emerge?prothero

    Isn't life the opposing force to the universal dark force of entropy?
  • Implications of Intelligent Design
    Evolution literally means "to roll out of."Jon

    ↪Jon Stop rolling out your turd, and find out what it really means.charleton

    I don't think you're looking for the actual meaning of the word evolution but rather it's common usage which is partly defined as "the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form."
  • How could God create imperfection?
    The imperfection lies in the material world and the senses, the perefection lies in the metaphysical world and the mind and in God.René Descartes

    What then is the purpose of creation?
  • How could God create imperfection?
    Well, imperfection may relate to man but I think error may actually relate to some element in creation that needs to be worked out.

    PS... when I say man I'm actually referring to all of life's attempt at survival.
  • How could God create imperfection?

    Actually I think I'm wrong in equating error with imperfection.
  • How could God create imperfection?
    I see that imperfection isn't created, it is caused in the senses that I have already explained.Lone Wolf

    Possibly.. but I don't think our minds can touch upon anything that isn't in this realm of creation. You're saying error is just misconfigured information but I think error is what we need to work out.
  • How could God create imperfection?

    Tzimtzum - Self-Limitation

    Creating Space

    In the creation myth of ancient Judaic mysticism, God creates the universe by a process dubbed tzimtzum, which in Hebrew means a sort of stepping back to allow for there to be an Other, an Else, as in something or someone else.
    — Introduction to Kabbalah: The Creation Myth
  • How could God create imperfection?
    imperfection as I know it is a corruption of available information; nothing new is formed.Lone Wolf

    That doesn't mean imperfection wasn't present prior to creation.
  • How could God create imperfection?
    Imperfection isn't created; it is the corruption of something that was once perfect. ILone Wolf

    I don't know... I think creation brought everything into existence.
  • What is a Philosopher?
    ↪Jon ironic since they never get married. ;)MindForged

    Ok.. I'm confused? Is the left not connected to the right (like up is connected to down?)
  • Implications of Intelligent Design
    You you even know what evolution means literally?charleton

    Evolution literally means "to roll out of."
  • How could God create imperfection?
    The main question is where we are heading?bahman

    I think people are heading in different directions... to different places...
  • What is a Philosopher?
    I think a philosopher is a knot tyer.

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  • Implications of Intelligent Design
    If we can accept that our world has been intelligently created in some way, what do you think would be the most likely implications, and why?CasKev
    What is the nature of consciousness?CasKev
    I think creation began with consciousness and that consciousness is the state life aspires to. The reason for the awakening may be beyond our rational thought but might be as simple as "separating the grain from the chaff." All this a form of evolution.
  • How could God create imperfection?
    I'm talking about the universe, not the activities of a few smart monkeys.charleton

    So you reduce everything to the interaction of quarks and leptons? Modern thought is reductionism and I hope and believe will eventually broaden our scope. Ancient thought considered man as "the crown of creation" and that all functions of nature reside within man. In that sense it's believed man can directly interact with the universe. That is the true dimension of the term biodynamic.
  • How could God create imperfection?
    How much of it have you even read?charleton

    Well.. if you look at the first two chapters you'll see discussion on creation. What do you think of that?
  • How could God create imperfection?
    Biodynamics is a tiny part of nature. No idea why you want to take that route.charleton
    Biodynamics I think comes down to the interplay in life. It also has to do with social interaction and all it offers.
  • How could God create imperfection?
    Either take the word of a bunch of half illiterate post neolithic goat herders and their myths, or look at the world as we know it. The book came about because people wrote down the myths of their culturecharleton
    I really think this a naive view. The Bible is much to deep to be contrasted with goat herders and myth.
  • How could God create imperfection?
    You are taking a view of god through the BOOK "of god"; but this is a human creation..charleton
    I don't doubt man had to write the biblical book of "God" but I think we need to question why the bible actually came into being.
    You need to open thebook of nature to really see what is going on.charleton
    This is a great point... but are you talking macro, micro or both? I think the term "biodynamics" became popular with Rudolf Steiner.
  • How could God create imperfection?
    How could God create imperfection?bahman
    What is "God?" I mean... do we really have an answer to this? The creative force?

    If "God" brought everything into being maybe the reason for creation was akin to "separating the wheat from the chaff?" So creation, in and of itself, is an evolutionary act.

    One thing that seems apparent to me is that creation affords me the ability to see.