Perhaps by a 1 to 1 basis in the mind meaning said proposed fact ie. 'the water is hot' corresponds to one or more things that can be proven. The water is 150 degrees farenheit. Steam is beginning to rise from the water. I stick my hand in it for more than a few seconds it will be very uncomfortable. Etc? The statement 'the water is hot' is therefore a fact not an opinion. Whereas 'the water is too hot' or 'not hot enough' may be the opposite. — Outlander

So why the hell does he not just say that instead of blathering on about creation and creators?

Well, you cannot make a 1 to 1 corresponding model of for instance "fear". Which is in category 1, the creator category. — Syamsu

So fear is a fact or not? I know for a fact that I have been in fear of many things in my life(scared shitless sometimes), would that serve as a model? Where can I download a copy of the table containing the categories you are talking about?

You can make a painting to express what fear is, but it's not a model. — Syamsu

So what exactly would serve as a model for a fact?

And as there doesn't seem to be any other categories besides creator and creation, it is proven that facts are only about creations. — Syamsu

Please gives us a link to this proof. They have to be somewhere right?

But why don't you present a fact which is not about a creation. — Syamsu

I don't want to interfere with the presentation of your hypothesis, theory, conjecture or whatever you want to call it. It would just muddy the waters.

And I have not made any bloody stupid comments that need to be defended, yet.

So you cannot prove that your other "fact" was a fact.

Got any facts which are not about creations? — Syamsu

Here you seem to be stating that all facts are about creations, could you please verify that this is so.

Creation would mean that things are made by someone/thing, what proof verifiable facts do you have that any facts were created by anything/one?

A fact is a model. The fact of people verifying facts, is a model of people verifying facts. So a picture. — Syamsu

You stated this as a fact and I asked you to verify it.

To verify a fact, means to verify that the fact corresponds 1 to 1 with what the fact is about. — Syamsu

I think that my cats have a better chance of catching their tales than you do of verifying that anything you have said can be verified by anything that you have said.

Picture factcheckers comparing facts, and what the fact is about. — Syamsu

I did not ask you to tell me to use my imagination, I asked you to prove that what you said was true. On a one to one fact to what the fact is about sort of thing or whatever it was you said.

Picturing thing does not make them facts.

To verify a fact, means to verify that the fact corresponds 1 to 1 with what the fact is about. — Syamsu

If this is a fact, please verify using your own method.

“What is the answer to X?” — Pfhorrest

The only answer possible to this question is X itself.

“Y is the answer.” — Pfhorrest

How did you get X from Y?

X can only be equal to X and Y can only be equal to Y.

So again, explain your reasoning.

Nope, that’s not it. — Pfhorrest

Please explain you reasoning.

Told you that you could do it. :100: :party:

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Yes.

What is wrong with (either) me or other people? — Shawn

If you do no harm to anyone and are content with your life, then just tell them to fuck off.

But if you make statements of unhappiness or other negative feelings then people will tend to give you advice.

Again, if you disagree with them you can still tell them to fuck off.

Try to live life without unnecessary complications is my motto. Unless of course something can be gained by a bit of extra complication of course.

Si, ma pourquoi ? — Amity

Multilingual?

Portolano two letters down from Port Orlando

And only dipshits have to announce their departure, sort of an ego booster to low self esteem. :rofl:

Mostly jerks on this forum. — jacksonsprat22

Well there will be fewer after you leave. Does the "prat" refer to the two parts or what is in the middle?

My god, there is a pandemic with people dying and you assholes can't rise above junior high school insulting. — jacksonsprat22

OK, we can all come along with you and help you solve the problem if that would make you feel better.

You can leave the door open as you leave, I think the cat is still out there. :cool:

FI you can work from home, theres a good chance yours is a bullshit job. — Banno

I can work from home, but it is more work with less travel. Sort of balances out in the end. Could or should it be done on a permanent basis, who knows.

It depends what you are teaching. — Banno

Why would that make a difference? Are some subjects more worthy of being none bullshit than others? I suppose that it would depend on what your philosophy of teaching/learning is. My basic idea is that student should learn how to learn regardless of and sometimes even despite the subject.

The crucial point is that the person doing the job sees that it is bullshit. — Banno

My job normally would include between 3-4 hours of travel everyday, the work itself takes about 20 hours. But the paper work, checking and reviewing and the other dozens of little things take up the rest of the time. But this load of not actually my work is mostly necessary to be able to do my job properly.
I have worked at many different jobs, but I cannot remember many that time was actually wasted. Probably because not many were actually task specific, usually there were a series of tasks set for the day, week or month, but few were actually accomplished in the estimated time set for them.

I am teaching from home right now. And it bloody well sucks.

The funny thing is that I seem to be getting better results than actual classroom work. And I don't have to leave the house.

I don't know if teaching is a bullshit job, but I cannot imagine anyone getting very far in life without going to school, at least until he can read and write.

We only need indexicals, contextuals from which to proceed, and with those conventional markers we can (and do) go back and forward as we see fit, without being bound to any one particular marker or unit.
So, in that sense at least, we need not assume a definite earliest time altogether, if that's what you meant. — jorndoe

OK, while I agree that we not need to assume an earliest possible time for everyday purposes, it does not make sense to asume that there can be an indefinite or infinite past.

This is puzzling. Are you now doubting your own conclusion? — SophistiCat

Not at all, saying that you doubt something is not reaching a conclusion, it is a statement of indecision. And the comment was about your use of the word "trivially", and whether or not one had to work to be able to reach a conclusion. How much actual work did you do to reach your conclusion? Read a book maybe about someone else's thoughts on the topic.

The way you originally stated it gave me the impression that you yourself thought it to be straightforward. — SophistiCat

It can be a straight forward idea and still be incorrect. As I stated, neither has more than guesses to support our ideas. Why should your way of thinking be better or more correct than my way of thinking.

Your mocking misses the mark. Indeed, we don't presuppose beer to have an origin - we know this from experience, inference or reliable report. Not so with time. I feel silly even having to explain this to you. — SophistiCat

It is not mocking, and you can feel as silly as you like.
And if you check the dictionary, we do presuppose beer to have an origin just because it exists, even if most people are unaware of the origin of it and have to do the research(google it) to find out.
You can do all of the research you like and never find out whether time is finite or infinite because no one knows, so no one can presupposes or postulate about it. They can only make guesses and try to prove them to be true or false.

But anyway, apart from all of that, I never postulated that time has a beginning. What I said was that the idea of time, a measurement, presupposes a starting point.

If you postulate that time must have a starting point, then you trivially get the conclusion that the past cannot be infinite. — SophistiCat

Whether it is trivial or not is only a matter of your personal beliefs, because you have no evidence of it being either the correct or incorrect conclusion.

Of course, no one who does not already believe the conclusion would be satisfied with that postulation, and even those who do ought to be leery about getting their prize without honest toil. — SophistiCat

How much honest toil is needed to reach an inconclusive conclusion?

You could say that time is just what we postulate 'time' to be, and you could then postulate it to have a beginning. But a more honest and satisfying approach would be to take 'time' as referring to something beyond mere postulation, something empirically known. — SophistiCat

You could say that beer is just what we postulate 'beer' to be, and you could then postulate it to have an origin. But a more honest and satisfying approach would be to take 'beer' as referring to something beyond mere postulation, something empirically known and do the bloody research to find out where it came from.

I think that my version makes more sense, and I do not have to refer to authorities to back me up.

And there is no bloody transportation either, so I am stuck here.

AAAAaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh :angry: :cry:

:chin: Did he/she notice?

Zophie stole the words from me. :lol:

How clever is the male mind at 76? — ArguingWAristotleTiff

Depends on how devious it was before 76. :rofl:

Yeah, set me a cold one on the bar and let the music begin.

Talking of beer, I am having to ration it. They are not letting the shops sell booze, of all of the stupid ideas.

Therefore If you have an infinite past then there exists some past event that must of gone an infinite number of events to get to the present, but since addition from a point will always be a finite number, an infinite past is impossible and so would two event that have infinite events inbetween. — BB100

The idea of time, I believe, presupposes a starting point from which to measure its passing. So I doubt that the past is infinite.
If your point is basically to say that time is not infinite then you are going in the wrong direction, you would have to prove that there cannot be an infinite future.

Please tell me more about "I really did not want to post here because of previously being warned about interaction with the person that wrote the OP." — Athena

Ooops, please excuse me for that. I seem to have gotten you confused with another of Zeus's little darlings. Artemis. Long story, please just forget it.
I am not holding up very well under this bloody lock down, in fact I think I might go crazy.

If a person is ignored what would be the motive for continuing? — Athena

That would depend on your goals, ask Greta Thomborg if she plans to give up because the people she wants to listen to her refuse to listen. Ask the kartrashians and they will tell you that it is vital that they not be ignored, they would vaporize like the ancient gods did.

Wasn't that warning almost as effective as being banned? — Athena

No, when you are banned you cannot continue. And the warning I got was from her, not the forum

I am not into blaming males, but I think there is a reality of differences that prevents women from participating. — Athena

Us guys are not to blame for everything you know, most things maybe, but not all. Over the many years I have been around there have been plenty of female posters. And possibly quite a few that were females but kept it a secret.
Not many of the serious posters of either gender check to see the gender of the person posting, they are more interested in the content of the OP and the value of the ideas and arguments provided.

If you want people here to take you seriously, give them something serious to think about and discuss. This thread has gotten over 200 posts, not bad.

I am intensely aware of how painfully difficult it is for me to participate in male dominated forums. — Athena

I really did not want to post here because of previously being warned about interaction with the person that wrote the OP. But I am getting bored after being on lock down for more than 5 weeks.

I have been reading most but not all of the thread, and have come to a simple conclusion. The first line says it all.

"male dominated forums"

The forums are not all male dominated because the ladies are banned or forbidden to enter.

So why are they not here?

Because most of them have no interest in being here.

So do not blame the blokes, blame the rest of the feminists that cannot be bothered to join.

Sorry if I upset you again.

Sir, I am on my last chapter of flipping math for my degree! :fire: — ArguingWAristotleTiff

Oh yeah, so then the brain will get a rest.
Best of luck. No, you don't need that, that is for people that don't try hard enough.

So when is the party? :party:

Imagine you see a naturally attractive person. They look attractive to you and to many others, but that doesn't make that person attractive, does it? It only means that majority of people agrees with your opinion on his appearance. Or more like you all have similiar preferences. — Craiya

Saying that a person is naturally attractive and then saying because society says so, seems in some way contradictory. If attractiveness is natural, how can society define it?

Or do you mean that someone coincidentally fulfills the expectations that society has set for attractiveness?

I'm really suffering and am already in contact for help, and have been taking anti-psychotics (2 actually) for a good while.

What should I do? — Shawn

The pills do not appear to be working, time to find a new doctor.
I have no faith in doctors of any kind, especially dentists. The guy that prescribed the medicine might have missed something, get a second or third opinion about it.
And stick with us here, don't do anything that you cannot regret later.

I saw some kids at Rice University.truly made a game changer... — ArguingWAristotleTiff

Need is the mother of all invention. Shame that we never really know what we need.

Now if only the schools could start teaching "out of the box", critical thinking skills we would be better off.

Stay in the shade Tiff. :victory:

It is difficult to imagine them doing it, but try to imagine them making a mistake and having to start again. They have not found any previous drafts of it some they must have gotten it right the first time.

Lots of planning involved I would guess and all outlined before carving began.

Are not all of us getting to the end of our tether about this, well at least the sane ones among us are.

We have now been on lockdown for eleven days, and it looks as though it will be at least another two weeks before we are let out of our cages.

I am almost ready to start climbing the walls.

I have not seen much news from your area, but from seeing the area you live in, I doubt that you have problems keeping yourselves away from your neighbors. What is happening in the towns around you, are they telling people to stay in their houses?

Take care if there are any cases around you. And make sure to take enough internal disinfectants, rum, tequila, vodka, gin, whisky and so on. They probably won't help much but you will feel better about things for a while at least.

How are things going? — ArguingWAristotleTiff

I have now been locked in the house for over a week, guess how I am feeling?

Yep, you got. I am freaking out reading emails, whatsapp, and school website, giving classes on line and a whole load of other crap.

Let me out of here soon, PLEASEEEEEEEEEE

Dude, disaster in the works.

Some have apparently hoarded toilet paper, we grabbed some coffee, but is it enough? — jorndoe

I have plenty of food as well, just not sure how important that is. The booze comes from outside the country and the borders are closed. The food comes from mostly local produce, and they are letting those people continue working still.

Why the hell does anyone need to 50 toilet rolls? Have there been cases of the virus making people crap more than normal?

There is a big conspiracy about reality shows actually being reality.

They are trying to convince us that there are actually people like the kartrashians and people that run around in the jungle naked. They try to make us believe that everyone should be like them. And so many people actually believe that that is what things are or should be like. Just look at how many big assed and pouty beyond belief lips there are now.

I have been banned from posting on almost every one of the online newspapers that allow comments for trying to tell people that it is all BS.

OK, now I am getting worried. :worry:
We are going to be on lock down from midnight for an indefinite period. :gasp:

Will 3 cases of beer, 2 bottles of rum, 2 baileys lookalike, 2 of whiskey and several other partially used bottles be enough? :chin: