But as you saw, Bernie is very close with Biden in national polls and fairs well in battleground states as well. So it is a little riskier, but not by much. — Xtrix

Yes, and please do.

You're right about turnout -- that's harder to predict. My "hunch" tells me that enthusiasm matters, but that doesn't seem to be panning out for Bernie with younger voters (who he wins 80% or so of). — Xtrix

Bigot? — creativesoul

That would explain the push for Biden and the attempt to portray Bernie as 'unelectable'... — creativesoul

Bernie could easily inform the black voters of how the DNC has been horrible for them, as well as the RNC — creativesoul

Ross Perot got nearly nineteen percent against Bush Sr. and Clinton. — creativesoul

Finally, I live in Texas, and worked for an oil company 33 years. — Relativist


That would explain the push for Biden and the attempt to portray Bernie as 'unelectable'... — creativesoul

You make some good points, so I'm reconsidering. I'll review the latest polling in swing states and see what they tell us.

One thing that doesn't seem to be measurable is voter turnout. e.g. Turnout by African Americans was the difference in Obama winning and Hillary losing. On this measure, Biden's popularity with blacks is important. — Xtrix

And of course he actually hasn't delivered, but that doesn't matter. — ssu

But I think in your case the evidence is being ignored for a more speculative and "instincts"-based justification. — Xtrix

I would argue that there are 3 things that enforce your actions. Beliefs, Desires (or wants), Mood. None of which are your choice. — chatterbears

If people were used to voting based on policy, Hillary would've won. — Benkei

You believe the DNC is conspiring against Bernie by disseminating the notion that Bernie isn't as electable. What evidence do you have of this? Bernie's electability was an issue during the debates. Candidates like Klobuchar, Buttigieg, Steier, and Bloomberg made an issue of it... — Relativist


All of whom immediately endorsed Biden after securing just about the same amount of delegates as Bernie found himself behind after super tuesday. — creativesoul

The third party run would result in a Bernie presidency — creativesoul

Regardless... electability quite simply is an unknown. — creativesoul

Bernie destroys Trump in a national debate. He would make him look like the fool that he is. — creativesoul

I hope Biden selects a younger, healthier, more functional Vice President — Bitter Crank

The election ought be post-poned due to the corona virus. — creativesoul

They win, and they do so by telling the inconvenient truth to the American people.

In doing so, they will have helped created a well informed electorate. — creativesoul

I don't care to debate who's the best person for the Presidency.


What an odd thing to say given the context...

:brow:

What are you doing here then? — creativesoul

Here's why I think Biden has a better chance to beat Trump than does Sanders:... — Relativist

I live in a solid blue state so I usually vote 3rd party (usually Green) because to do otherwise would be to throw my vote away. If the Democrats ever nominate a candidate that at least moves them in the right direction, like Bernie, then I'll vote for them as a reward.

But f I lived in a swing state, I would vote for whoever go the Democratic nomination just to stop the Republican candidate (so long as those nominees continue to stand for the things their parties generally stand for), so I answered "Biden" in this poll. — Pfhorrest

Care to address what I actually wrote? I mean, I know your personal straw targets are easy kills, but come on man... — creativesoul

You offered a very long list of fucking irrelevency — creativesoul

Bernie runs as an independent and during the national debates clearly makes the case regarding how both parties have caused everyday average Americans harm by virtue of acting upon the best interest of corporations when their interests conflicted with the average everyday American's. — creativesoul

Relativist: If Bernie does that, who will this convince to vote for him?

Anyone and everyone who wants to know what has actually been going on in the American government for the last fifty years that has caused the quality of everyday average American lives to plummet the way that it has. — creativesoul

Do you want someone like Trump who has no concern whatsoever beyond his own image and wealth? Do you want someone like Biden who does not have a clue how to fix all the problems facing the people he has convinced to vote for him? Not a clue

So, your argument is that because doing the right things will scare too many Republicans who do not want to do the right things, that we ought not do the right things... — creativesoul

Well, since you asked...

You left out all of the most important stuff.
...Which candidate actually has a good grasp upon the root problems(actual legislation over the last fifty or so years) that have caused so so many poor Americans to become disillusioned with government altogether?

...Which candidate was on the right side of history in the moment?

...Which candidate acknowledges these problems and is willing to do everything it takes to get them corrected... even if it is a long road?
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...Which candidate can explain these problems and their solutions to everyday Americans in clear and understandable terms? — creativesoul

Ohhhhh boy. I'm just gonna refer you right back to my original post in which I showed that Biden and Bernie are TIED as to who will vote for them over Trump.

I'm sorry, but it really seems like you just don't want to understand what several people (so, phew, it's not just me!) here have been telling you. — Artemis

Because voters have been convinced that he can't win and isn't "electable." — Xtrix

ust because they sound like they could be true, doesn't mean they are. — Artemis

He's the most popular senator in America.
https://politicalwire.com/2020/01/16/sanders-is-most-popular-senator/ — Artemis

His policies are also the ones that most Americans support. — Artemis