My word for today is "woebegone." - looking sad, pitiful. — T Clark
Tenebrous.
Came up regularly in a book I once edited and I had to look it up. It still sounds to me to be the opposite of what it is. But maybe that's just me. — Baden
I think that's not a bad definition, but what is it that you think people find so odious about that viewpoint? I mean, they're just saying that no other type of claim is valid, not that no-one can hold or talk about any other claims.
Obviously you might not agree with them in that, but I would commonly expect such disagreement to take the form "claims made using method X are valid because...", whereas all I hear in connection with the term Scientism, is the complaint that it denies claims of any other sort. Well, why shouldn't it? Surely, if one has at least a reasonable argument about epistemological claims, one is entitled to make it? — Pseudonym
Curious contradiction I can't quite unpick, in the first half of the paragraph you say I'm over-thinking it, in the second half you advise asking the users of the term to elaborate. Is that not exactly what I'm doing here? Where is the line you think I've crossed between asking for elaboration and over-thinking? — Pseudonym
I think perhaps you are looking for something which doesn't exist. You ask for a neutral, non-polemical definition of Scientism. I don't think there are any philosophers who willingly accept "Scientism" as a description of their views. Usually "Scientism" is used as a name for views which, in the eyes of the critic, elevate science into an unacceptably special position. — PossibleAaran
I don't know how old you are, so I don't know what perspective you are judging from. Let me make a list of major events in the course of liberal democracy since the end of WWII:
Reconstruction and rise of Europe. End to centuries of conflict
Reconstruction and rise of Japan and Korea
The United Nations
The breakup of the Soviet Union
Democracy in Eastern Europe
Independence of former European colonies
[*} Democratization of formerly authoritarian regimes
The end of Apartheid
The European Union
The Arab Spring
The rise of second string and third string economic powers - Brazil, China, India — T Clark
However, for China, Luce states that two prized historic events for modern China are "China's detonation of the Hydrogen bomb in 1964," and "Britain's transfer of Hong Kong to China in 1997." Both examples, "show China's deep-rooted desire to be treated with respect and dignity." — Maw
You mention assumptions and I suppose this could be the key to this, I have a horrible feeling that we must make assumptions about the nature of justification itself before we can apply it to anything, and that makes it seem feasible that we can make assumptions about the nature of reasoning and thereby develop a system of logic. Perhaps assumptions like, that we can know justification as a concept exists automatically without it itself requiring justification. This then makes me wonder if logic also doesn't require justification, though it also makes me wonder how I can, or whether I need to, justify those assumptions. — hymyíŕeyr
But there exist theories as well that make the claim there is an objective universal morality. How are the theories that make a claim but then don't claim that claim to be objectively true different? — BlueBanana
Any moral theory that wishes to state what is a morally right thing to do should ground this claim on something. — BlueBanana
The immediate answer is that controls already exist, although differing in different places. — tim wood
You do understand that was Russian land right before Ukraine absorbed it, right? You are attributing me a propaganda group of the Russian side, when I made it clear that I was not for either side. — yatagarasu
But of course it's America birthright to invade and occupy nations and steal their oil or make them capitalist. — René Descartes
Talking about carving up the world, USA is leading by example. — CuddlyHedgehog
American neo-Imperialists — René Descartes
As has been already stated, if you are willing to read, Russia has the 12th largest GDP, so I would not go on to call it impoverished. — René Descartes
From a Russian perspective they see America as an adversary. (as they should) The Warsaw pact fell apart and NATO has reached all the way around Russia. — yatagarasu
Prosaically, the perspective of a photon or of a (pathologically) distant motion is just as valid a reference frame sub specie aeternitatis as ones which preserve our causal orders. — fdrake
What does this mean though? What is right is what has to be done? Is it about rules? — Πετροκότσυφας
So if you are willing to think of moral behaviour as that which promotes the best solution for the community — unenlightened
You will have to explain why this "helping ourselves" is some kind of problem. It might be if you believed that deduction is more fundamental than induction or something. But how can it be if it is the other way around? — apokrisis
I hit the cat and it runs away! — charleton
Determinism can be framed deductively as:
1.There are immutable laws which determine every event down to the minutest detail
2. Every event must occur exactly as it does occur and the immutable laws are its sufficient reason — Janus
You can also put specific inductive inferences into deductive forms by adding extra premises which insure that you must end up with the result that is observed. — Janus
Even Hume said we reason inductively because that is what is natural to our psychology. So we only "help ourselves to induction" in the sense that we find ourselves already the products of an evolutionary process. We were born to be pragmatically successful at predicting our worlds. — apokrisis
Not really. We have to make assumptions to get started. As I have shown if you make the assumptions explicit inductive reasoning can be framed in deductive forms. — Janus
Science bases itself on the assumption that there are "laws of nature" that determine the invariances that are observed everywhere. — Janus
What's wrong with a circular argument if it takes the form of the scientific method? — apokrisis
So you are saying that the problem of induction doesn’t hinge on the metaphysical assumption that causality may not be invariant? — apokrisis
And so I simply say go with that same assumption. Permit nature to vary. And then understand it’s apparent invariance in terms of the self organisation of limits.
After all, that is the world as science has found it to be, if you’ve been keeping up. — apokrisis
You're going to have to specify - a lot - as to what kind of "whole" you mean, and as well "expressed." For example: do you mean that any text can always be expressed in terms of the letters that constitute it? Music in notes? Sense from mere sounds? Without further qualification and explication, I'm afraid the notions in the OP are too vague to respond to. — tim wood
I would not put it that way; I would say that we follow inductive reasoning for the practical reason that there is no alternative — Janus
and I would also say that it is reasonable to have faith in it, because, leaving aside (what I would consider unreasonable) radical skepticism, all our experience and understanding confirms that nature is indeed replete with invariance. There seems, on the contrary to be no good reason, beyond a certain kind of carping logic, to question that. — Janus
While much is known about gene expression circuits in life, there is a paucity of information about what happens to these circuits after organismal death. For example, it is not well known whether gene expression diminishes gradually or abruptly stops in death—nor whether specific gene transcripts increase in abundance in death. — Pozhitkov et al.
What do the increases in postmortem transcript abundances mean in the context of life?
Since increases in postmortem transcript abundances occurred in both the zebrafish and the mouse in our study, it is reasonable to suggest that other multicellular eukaryotes will display a similar phenomenon. What does this phenomenon mean in the context of organismal life? We conjecture that the highly ordered structure of an organism—evolved and refined through natural selection and self-organizing processes [215]—undergoes a thermodynamically driven process of spontaneous disintegration through complex pathways, which apparently involve the increased abundance of specific gene transcripts and putative feedback loops. While evolution played a role in pre-patterning of these pathways, it probably does not play any role in its disintegration fate. However, one could argue that some of these pathways have evolved to favour healing or ‘resuscitation’ after severe injury, which would be a possible adaptive advantage. The increased abundance of inflammation response transcripts, for example, putatively indicates that a signal of infection or injury is sensed by the still alive cells after death of the body. Alternatively, these increases could be due to fast decay of some repressors of genes or whole pathways leading to the transcription of genes. Hence, it will be of interest to study this in more detail, since this could, for example, provide insights into how to better preserve organs retrieved for transplantation. — Pozhitkov et al.
Evolution is based on the assumption that the invariances of nature have been consistently the same during the past as we find them today. I am pointing out that this assumption is as just as warranted or unwarranted as the assumption that the invariances of nature will be the same in the future as today. So, my point was that inductive inferences are essential to the theory (Evolution) that you were purporting to use to undermine the justifiability of inductive reasoning. I'm surprised you cannot see the problem with this. — Janus
Here's an inductive argument:
1. Some Ps are Qs
2. Therefore, all Ps are Qs
The conclusion necessarily follows from the premise. — Magnus Anderson
I'm not familiar with Goodman's grue scenario. In any case I was referring to the past, not the future. I don't see why, if it is based on an understanding of evolution, it would not rely on the assumption that the invariances of nature were in the past as they are today. And that assumption is as much irrationally inductive as the assumption that the invariances of nature will be in the future as they appear to be today. — Janus
I think I will take your advice and look at the literature since I am rather new to all this. However, if you can elaborate some of the conceptual issues with regard to determinism that might be helpful. — Perplexed
One might have hoped that this survey would provide an answer to the question: If we believe modern physics, is the world deterministic or not? But there is no simple and clean answer. The theories of modern physics paint many different and seemingly incommensurable pictures of the world; not only is there no unified theory of physics, there is not even agreement on the best route to getting one. And even within a particular theory— say, QM or GTR—there is no clear verdict. This is a reflection of the fact that determinism is bound up with some of the most important unresolved foundations problems for these theories. While this linkage makes for frustration if one is in search of a quick and neat answer to the above question, it also makes determinism an exciting topic for the philosophy of science. — Determinism: What We Have Learned and What We Still Don’t Know
Note that this explanation that you are taking to undermine induction is itself inductively derived. It relies on that which it purports to undermine. — Janus
One could imagine any number of self contained systems that can articulate itself without the need for external verification but sooner or later its relationship to other fields of endeavour must come into question. — Perplexed
Can you give any further details of such a conceptual analysis? Perhaps this would extend beyond the boundaries of science. — Perplexed
Of course one could just get on with the business of science without any need for contemplating its foundations and why it works but this always strikes me as avoiding the most interesting questions. — Perplexed
I suppose 18th century science could be said to "assert determinism". The question is, does our modern science allow for non-deterministic events to take place? — Perplexed