Can you think of a way around the Iron Law of Oligarchy? — NOS4A2
Or would you admit, like the conservatives do, that the very structure of your organization requires a hierarchy of betters and lessers, elites and the masses, masters and slaves? — NOS4A2
You would think that Trumps lawyers would have done better in the jury selection process. I hear he only hires the best people. — praxis
There was no jury selection process. Such a fair trial. — NOS4A2
Do you think that when "they let you do it", it is assault? — NOS4A2
Nowhere does he admit to any assault in the video. — NOS4A2
Nowhere has assault been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. — NOS4A2
The crux of what I see is that Descartes is demonizing the inherent fallibility of our human condition. — Antony Nickles
But we regularly fail, make mistakes, don’t assess the situation (act thoughtlessly) or do so not taking into account the other, etc. None of this is reason for panic or a vortex of irrationality. — Antony Nickles
so that we can just follow the moral rules and never be wrong or judged. — Antony Nickles
My third maxim was to try always to master myself rather than fortune, and to change my desires rather than the order of the world.
Who knows? — NOS4A2
So when NOS says: "Fact: He does not grab by the pussy the woman he was just talking about." He's saying that Trump has never grabbed for pussy and this is a fact. — praxis
... not what he does when he meets people. — NOS4A2
... many people claim he is admitting to assault — NOS4A2
the people just need to go rule themselves. — NOS4A2
I’m suggesting that democracy is impossible where certain organizational structures are concerned, for instance representative government. — NOS4A2
As for grabbing pussy, he’s clearly speaking in the second person. — NOS4A2
I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
Fact: He does not grab by the pussy the woman he was just talking about. — NOS4A2
I have no interest in the sexual lives of politicians. — NOS4A2
So our doubts continue to develop. — frank
... simpler and more universal kinds include body, and extension; the shape of extended things; their quantity, size and number; the places things can be in, the time through which they can last, and so on. — Descartes, First Meditation
... the elements out of which we make all our mental images of things – the true and also the false ones.
Now what seems indubitable is that two plus three makes five. — frank
... whether they really exist in nature or not ... — Descartes, First Meditation
...I have for many years been sure that there is an all-powerful God who made me to be the sort of creature that I am.
For whether I am awake or asleep, two plus three makes five, and a square has only four sides.
... how do I know that I myself don’t go wrong every time I add two and three or count the sides of a square?
All the conduct of our lives depends on our senses, among which the sense of sight being the most universal and most noble, there is no doubt that the inventions which serve to augment its power are the most useful that could be made.
... the premisses which lead to the conclusion that the soul is immortal depend on an account of the whole of physics.
So a reasonable conclusion from this might be that physics, astronomy, medicine, and all other disciplines which depend on the study of composite things, are doubtful; while arithmetic, geometry and other subjects of this kind, which deal with the simplest and most general things, regardless of whether they really exist in nature or not, contain something certain and indubitable.
He could have doubted that "thinking" exists, no? — Benj96
The only thing I don't understand is why, having considered that, and it's circularity, it did not lead him to a further reduction based on skepticism to the simpler statement "I am". — Benj96
(Second Meditation)So after considering everything very thoroughly, I must finally conclude that this proposition, I am, I exist, is necessarily true whenever it is put forward by me or conceived in my mind.
... doubting one exists would naturally lead to one not existing. — Benj96
(Second Meditation)I will proceed in this way until I recognize something certain, or, if nothing else, until I at least recognize for certain that there is no certainty. Archimedes used to demand just one firm and
immovable point in order to shift the entire earth; so I too can hope for great things if I manage to find just one thing, however slight, that is certain and unshakeable.
Can one exist without thinking? I would imagine so, or else dreamless sleep would be ultimate death. As might deep and silent meditation. — Benj96
He who lived well, did not hide himself ... — Benj96
for the benefit/teaching/education of others. — Benj96
And since in this life the rewards offered to vice are often greater than the rewards of virtue, few people would prefer what is right to what is expedient if they did not fear God or have the expectation of an after-life.
If we are to take Descartes thinking = being sentiment, then we must assume the universe "thinks". — Benj96
But for me "thinking" requires at its basis more than one "being" such that thought "leads" or "traverses" between once concept (one state of being) and another.
Not to mention thought requires memory otherwise it is a constant state of "what was I thinking about?" or "forgetfulness". — Benj96
(Meditation 3)I am a thing that thinks: that is, a thing that doubts, affirms, denies, understands a few things, is ignorant of many things, is willing, is unwilling, and also which imagines and has sensory
perceptions; for as I have noted before, even though the objects of my sensory experience and imagination may have no existence outside me, nonetheless the modes of thinking which I refer to as cases of sensory perception and imagination, in so far as they are simply modes of
thinking, do exist within me - of that I am certain.
its interesting to note his willingness to venture into unknown territory yet at the same time abide by church law. — Benj96
He who lived well hid himself well. (Bene qui latuit bene vixit)
"I think therefore I am" is the cartesian circle, the basis or hallmark for fallacious circular argument from Descartes. — Benj96
"I am" is not a relationship. It is one singular thing. I think and I am, is a relationship with 2 distinct phenomenon - being and thinking. — Benj96
It isn't even circular because there is no cause or effect relationship as a relationship requires 2 things. — Benj96
It is of course quite true that we must believe in the existence of God because it is a doctrine of Holy Scripture, and conversely, that we must believe Holy Scripture because it comes from God; for since faith is the gift of God, he who gives us grace to believe other things can also give us grace to believe that he exists.
But this argument cannot be put to unbelievers because they would judge it to be circular.
... in geometry everyone has been taught to accept that as a rule no proposition is put forward in a book without there being a conclusive demonstration available ...
In philosophy, by contrast, the belief is that everything can be argued either way; so few
people pursue the truth, while the great majority build up their reputation for ingenuity by boldly attacking whatever is most sound.
Hence, whatever the quality of my arguments may be, because they have to do with philosophy I do not expect they will enable me to achieve any very worthwhile results unless you come to my aid by granting me your patronage.
... As for the atheists, who are generally posers rather than people of real intelligence or learning, your authority will induce them to lay aside the spirit of contradiction; and, since they know
that the arguments are regarded as demonstrations by all who are intellectually gifted, they may even go so far as to defend them, rather than appear not to understand them.
In the same way, although the proofs I employ here are in my view as certain and evident as the proofs of geometry, if not more so, it will, I fear, be impossible for many people to achieve an adequate perception of them, both because they are rather long and some depend on others, and also, above all, because they require a mind which is completely free from preconceived opinions and
which can easily detach itself from involvement with the senses.
I will suppose therefore that not God, who is supremely good and the source of truth, but rather some malicious demon of the utmost power and cunning has employed all his energies in order to deceive me.
The idea that what is normative is what all rational people would advocate is Bernard Gert’s (see SEP’s morality entry of the last 20 years or so), not mine. I leave it to Gert to defend. — Mark S
My main point has been that there is an objective standpoint about the function of human morality. The evidence is that past and present cultural moral norms and the judgments of our moral sense are all parts of cooperation strategies. — Mark S
Neither of your counterexamples contradicts the function of human morality being to solve cooperation problems. Both are more about the morality of 'ends', a subject the function of human morality is largely silent on. — Mark S
I understand why thinking of human morality in terms of its function (the principal reason it exists) rather than in terms of its imperative oughts (the traditional perspective) can be initially confusing. — Mark S
All well-informed, rational people will have shared goals and ideas about how to morally accomplish them. — Mark S
I propose that all past and present moral norms can be explained as parts of cooperation strategy explanations.
4.022 A proposition shows its sense.
A proposition shows how things stand if it is true. And it says that they do so stand.
4.1212 What can be shown, cannot be said.
4.121 Propositions cannot represent logical form: it is mirrored in them.
What finds its reflection in language, language cannot represent.
What expresses itself in language, we cannot express by means of language.
Propositions show the logical form of reality.
They display it.
6.13 Logic is not a theory but a reflexion of the world.
Logic is transcendental.
It will therefore only be in language that the limit can be drawn, and what lies on the other side of the limit will simply be nonsense.
6.41 The sense (Sinn) of the world must lie outside the world. In the world everything is as it is, and everything happens as it does happen: in it no value exists—and if it did exist, it would have no value.
If there is any value that does have value, it must lie outside the whole sphere of what happens and is the case. For all that happens and is the case is accidental.
What makes it non-accidental cannot lie within the world, since if it did it would itself be accidental.
It must lie outside the world.
6.42 So too it is impossible for there to be propositions of ethics.
Propositions can express nothing that is higher.
6.421 It is clear that ethics cannot be put into words.
Ethics is transcendental.
(Ethics and aesthetics are one and the same.)
5.6 The limits of my language mean the limits of my world.
5.62 The world is my world: this is manifest [zeigt sich (shows itself)] in the fact that the limits of language (of that language which alone I understand) mean the limits of my world.
The "final analysis", in the Tractatus is not the names of objects. — Banno
That in the final analysis we have a configuration of simple names of simple objects. — Fooloso4
2.0231 For these are first presented by the propositions—first formed by the configuration of the objects.
2.0272 The configuration of objects produces states of affairs.
3.21 The configuration of objects in a situation corresponds to the configuration of simple signs
in the propositional sign.
4.221 It is obvious that the analysis of propositions must bring us to elementary propositions
which consist of names in immediate combination.
Some people like speculating — schopenhauer1
I didn't see anything about empirical observation. — schopenhauer1
That is either saying nothing or saying something so obvious as to be not worth saying, "Ok, and anything of significance?". — schopenhauer1
Each person describing reality thinks they are accurately picturing reality. — schopenhauer1
It doesn't explain why observation and empirical evidence is more important than intuition, feeling, immediate sensation, abstractions of imagination, etc. — schopenhauer1
6.432 How things are in the world is a matter of complete indifference for what is higher. God
does not reveal himself in the world.
6.4321 The facts all contribute only to setting the problem, not to its solution.
6.44 It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists.
6.45 To view the world sub specie aeterni is to view it as a whole—a limited whole.
Feeling the world as a limited whole—it is this that is mystical.
6.52 We feel that even when all possible scientific questions have been answered, the problems of
life remain completely untouched. Of course are then no questions left, and this itself is the answer.
6.522 There are, indeed, things that cannot be put into words. They make themselves manifest.
They are what is mystical.
So it's neat that you interpreted him this way — schopenhauer1
It doesn't tell us what true propositions are or anything like that, so I don't quite see the significance here of his project. — schopenhauer1
He's basically saying, "Anything beyond atomic facts and their combinations is nonsense". — schopenhauer1
But without explaining what makes something true, this is just a preferential or prejudicial statement about what statements/propositions are meaningful. Something he saw clearly as an error in his later work. — schopenhauer1
2.221 What a picture represents is its sense.
2.222 The agreement or disagreement of its sense with reality constitutes its truth or falsity.
6.53 The right method of philosophy would be this: To say nothing except what can be said,
i.e. the propositions of natural science, i.e. something that has nothing to do with philosophy:
and then always, when someone else wished to say something metaphysical, to demonstrate
to him that he had given no meaning to certain signs in his propositions. This method would be unsatisfying to the other—he would not have the feeling that we were teaching him philosophy—but it would be the only strictly correct method.
He doesn’t really go into a thorough investigation on how to determine true propositions other than the circular understanding that it’s atomic facts, deduction of these atomic propositions and some remarks about observation and empirical investigation. — schopenhauer1
4.01 A proposition is a picture of reality.
2.223 In order to tell whether a picture is true or false we must compare it with reality.
4.05 Reality is compared with the proposition.
4.06 Propositions can be true or false only by being pictures of the reality.
What value does any of this obviousness have? The important part is figuring out the true propositions. — schopenhauer1
You are thinking of 'fact' as equivalent to 'actuality'. — Janus
In a different sense, the encyclopedia is a compendium of facts, or true propositions and descriptions. — Janus
What Wittgenstein is saying is that you can create any proposition you want by starting with the whole set of atomic propositions and negating a certain subset of those. — Reddit
6.001 What this says is just that every proposition is a result of successive applications to elementary propositions of the operation N(ξ).
Science as removing the false propositions from logical space...? — Banno
This is silly. — Banno
2. What is the case—a fact—is the existence of states of affairs.
2.01 A state of affairs (a state of things) is a combination of objects (things).
The term 'fact'; is ambiguous; it can mean either 'true proposition' or 'actuality'. — Janus