I was referring to human beings in that example. — Manuel
the intellect too can deceive us — Manuel
The issue I am highlighting is that it's not clear senses alone give us any knowledge, without an intellectual component. — Manuel
Descartes observation about what literally hits the eye — Manuel
Whatever I have accepted until now as most true has come to me through my senses.
(First Meditation)Yet although the senses sometimes deceive us about objects that are very small or distant, that doesn’t apply to my belief that I am here, sitting by the fire, wearing a winter dressing-gown, holding this piece of paper in my hands, and so on. It seems to be quite impossible to doubt beliefs like these, which come from the senses.
... the sky, the air, the earth, colours, shapes, sounds ... no hands or eyes, or flesh, or blood or senses ...
Well you seem to think you understand what I’m trying to say and just flatly disagree. — Antony Nickles
He is looking for a foundation in order to have the certainty he needs to conquer doubt. — Antony Nickles
this is uncalled for in this kind of forum. If you want to believe Descartes or Plato or Kant never made a mistake, feel free, but there is no cause to mock me. — Antony Nickles
I meant we should not just take him to be making explicit everything we can learn. — Antony Nickles
He is looking for a foundation in order to have the certainty he needs to conquer doubt. — Antony Nickles
You’re assuming he’s a reliable narrator. — Antony Nickles
He took his motto from Ovid:
He who lived well hid himself well. (Bene qui latuit bene vixit) — Fooloso4
Descartes dedication to the faculty of theology is both revealing and concealing. He tells them that once they understand the principle behind his undertaking they will protect it. This raises the question of what that principle is. — Fooloso4
What he’s telling you he’s doing is not the whole picture. — Antony Nickles
I’m analyzing how he gets lost along the way because of what he wants from it. — Antony Nickles
If we take philosophy literally and at face value, we are not putting it in contrast to the rest of the tradition, nor questioning why he has chosen this method, why he needs certainty. — Antony Nickles
... establish anything in the sciences that was stable and likely to last ...
The fact that Descartes “withdraws from the practical concerns of daily life” is not only the cause of the abstraction, — Antony Nickles
to be apart from our human life, its uncertainty. — Antony Nickles
So I do not take anything as “rhetorical” but take it seriously enough to attribute reasons for everything, implications, assumptions, motivations, blind spots, frameworks, analogies, etc. — Antony Nickles
Whatever I have accepted until now as most true has come to me through my senses.
Once I have exhausted the justifications, I have reached bedrock, and my spade is turned. Then I am inclined to say: “This is simply what I do.”
166. The difficulty is to realize the groundlessness of our believing.
358. Now I would like to regard this certainty, not as something akin to hastiness or superficiality,
but as a form of life. (That is very badly expressed and probably badly thought as well.)
359. But that means I want to conceive it as something that lies beyond being justified or
unjustified; as it were, as something animal.
482. It is as if "I know" did not tolerate a metaphysical emphasis.
96. It might be imagined that some propositions, of the form of empirical propositions, were
hardened and functioned as channels for such empirical propositions as were not hardened but fluid;
and that this relation altered with time, in that fluid propositions hardened, and hard ones became
fluid.
97. The mythology may change back into a state of flux, the river-bed of thoughts may shift. But I
distinguish between the movement of the waters on the river-bed and the shift of the bed itself;
though there is not a sharp division of the one from the other.
Harth dropped the lawsuit right after Trump settled an outstanding business lawsuit from her partner. Weird how that happens. — NOS4A2
Why aren’t you mentioning these things? — NOS4A2
She backtracked in October of 2016. Just a big coincidence? — Fooloso4
As a woman, I felt violated ...
Look at the date of their accusations. October 2016. — NOS4A2
... his then-wife Ivana made a rape claim during their 1990 divorce litigation ...
filed a lawsuit in 1997 in which she accused Trump of non-consensual groping of her body, among them her "intimate private parts"
Hume's method is to portray reason as infallible — Metaphysician Undercover
He said; she said. — NOS4A2
I am claiming he is externalizing that he is demonized (afraid), that his ability to have a clear path through our culture and customs is fraught. — Antony Nickles
I realized that if I wanted to establish anything in the sciences that was stable and likely to last, I needed – just once in my life – to demolish everything completely and start again from the foundations. It looked like an enormous task, and I decided to wait until I was old enough to be sure that there was nothing to be gained from putting it off any longer. I have now delayed it for so long that I have no excuse for going on planning to do it rather than getting to work. So today I have set all my worries aside and arranged for myself a clear stretch of free time. I am here quite alone, and at last I will devote myself, sincerely and without holding back, to demolishing my opinions.
The thing about Descartes, even Socrates, is that they do put the cart before the horse in wanting a specific type of knowledge ... — Antony Nickles
If they don't consent then yes. — Michael
Now it is just a matter of who is more honest about it. — NOS4A2
None of your straw-grasping can contend with the fact no evidence of any sexual assault or admission of any sexual assault occurred in the video. — NOS4A2
All sexual assault has been explicitly denied. — NOS4A2
As for the jury selection it was an anonymous jury. — NOS4A2
Can you think of a way around the Iron Law of Oligarchy? — NOS4A2
Or would you admit, like the conservatives do, that the very structure of your organization requires a hierarchy of betters and lessers, elites and the masses, masters and slaves? — NOS4A2
You would think that Trumps lawyers would have done better in the jury selection process. I hear he only hires the best people. — praxis
There was no jury selection process. Such a fair trial. — NOS4A2
Do you think that when "they let you do it", it is assault? — NOS4A2
Nowhere does he admit to any assault in the video. — NOS4A2
Nowhere has assault been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. — NOS4A2
The crux of what I see is that Descartes is demonizing the inherent fallibility of our human condition. — Antony Nickles
But we regularly fail, make mistakes, don’t assess the situation (act thoughtlessly) or do so not taking into account the other, etc. None of this is reason for panic or a vortex of irrationality. — Antony Nickles
so that we can just follow the moral rules and never be wrong or judged. — Antony Nickles
My third maxim was to try always to master myself rather than fortune, and to change my desires rather than the order of the world.
Who knows? — NOS4A2
So when NOS says: "Fact: He does not grab by the pussy the woman he was just talking about." He's saying that Trump has never grabbed for pussy and this is a fact. — praxis
... not what he does when he meets people. — NOS4A2
... many people claim he is admitting to assault — NOS4A2
the people just need to go rule themselves. — NOS4A2
I’m suggesting that democracy is impossible where certain organizational structures are concerned, for instance representative government. — NOS4A2
As for grabbing pussy, he’s clearly speaking in the second person. — NOS4A2
I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
Fact: He does not grab by the pussy the woman he was just talking about. — NOS4A2
I have no interest in the sexual lives of politicians. — NOS4A2
So our doubts continue to develop. — frank
... simpler and more universal kinds include body, and extension; the shape of extended things; their quantity, size and number; the places things can be in, the time through which they can last, and so on. — Descartes, First Meditation
... the elements out of which we make all our mental images of things – the true and also the false ones.
Now what seems indubitable is that two plus three makes five. — frank
... whether they really exist in nature or not ... — Descartes, First Meditation
...I have for many years been sure that there is an all-powerful God who made me to be the sort of creature that I am.
For whether I am awake or asleep, two plus three makes five, and a square has only four sides.
... how do I know that I myself don’t go wrong every time I add two and three or count the sides of a square?
All the conduct of our lives depends on our senses, among which the sense of sight being the most universal and most noble, there is no doubt that the inventions which serve to augment its power are the most useful that could be made.
... the premisses which lead to the conclusion that the soul is immortal depend on an account of the whole of physics.
So a reasonable conclusion from this might be that physics, astronomy, medicine, and all other disciplines which depend on the study of composite things, are doubtful; while arithmetic, geometry and other subjects of this kind, which deal with the simplest and most general things, regardless of whether they really exist in nature or not, contain something certain and indubitable.
He could have doubted that "thinking" exists, no? — Benj96
The only thing I don't understand is why, having considered that, and it's circularity, it did not lead him to a further reduction based on skepticism to the simpler statement "I am". — Benj96
(Second Meditation)So after considering everything very thoroughly, I must finally conclude that this proposition, I am, I exist, is necessarily true whenever it is put forward by me or conceived in my mind.
... doubting one exists would naturally lead to one not existing. — Benj96
(Second Meditation)I will proceed in this way until I recognize something certain, or, if nothing else, until I at least recognize for certain that there is no certainty. Archimedes used to demand just one firm and
immovable point in order to shift the entire earth; so I too can hope for great things if I manage to find just one thing, however slight, that is certain and unshakeable.
Can one exist without thinking? I would imagine so, or else dreamless sleep would be ultimate death. As might deep and silent meditation. — Benj96
He who lived well, did not hide himself ... — Benj96
for the benefit/teaching/education of others. — Benj96
And since in this life the rewards offered to vice are often greater than the rewards of virtue, few people would prefer what is right to what is expedient if they did not fear God or have the expectation of an after-life.
If we are to take Descartes thinking = being sentiment, then we must assume the universe "thinks". — Benj96
But for me "thinking" requires at its basis more than one "being" such that thought "leads" or "traverses" between once concept (one state of being) and another.
Not to mention thought requires memory otherwise it is a constant state of "what was I thinking about?" or "forgetfulness". — Benj96
(Meditation 3)I am a thing that thinks: that is, a thing that doubts, affirms, denies, understands a few things, is ignorant of many things, is willing, is unwilling, and also which imagines and has sensory
perceptions; for as I have noted before, even though the objects of my sensory experience and imagination may have no existence outside me, nonetheless the modes of thinking which I refer to as cases of sensory perception and imagination, in so far as they are simply modes of
thinking, do exist within me - of that I am certain.
its interesting to note his willingness to venture into unknown territory yet at the same time abide by church law. — Benj96
He who lived well hid himself well. (Bene qui latuit bene vixit)
"I think therefore I am" is the cartesian circle, the basis or hallmark for fallacious circular argument from Descartes. — Benj96
"I am" is not a relationship. It is one singular thing. I think and I am, is a relationship with 2 distinct phenomenon - being and thinking. — Benj96
It isn't even circular because there is no cause or effect relationship as a relationship requires 2 things. — Benj96
It is of course quite true that we must believe in the existence of God because it is a doctrine of Holy Scripture, and conversely, that we must believe Holy Scripture because it comes from God; for since faith is the gift of God, he who gives us grace to believe other things can also give us grace to believe that he exists.
But this argument cannot be put to unbelievers because they would judge it to be circular.
... in geometry everyone has been taught to accept that as a rule no proposition is put forward in a book without there being a conclusive demonstration available ...
In philosophy, by contrast, the belief is that everything can be argued either way; so few
people pursue the truth, while the great majority build up their reputation for ingenuity by boldly attacking whatever is most sound.
Hence, whatever the quality of my arguments may be, because they have to do with philosophy I do not expect they will enable me to achieve any very worthwhile results unless you come to my aid by granting me your patronage.
... As for the atheists, who are generally posers rather than people of real intelligence or learning, your authority will induce them to lay aside the spirit of contradiction; and, since they know
that the arguments are regarded as demonstrations by all who are intellectually gifted, they may even go so far as to defend them, rather than appear not to understand them.
In the same way, although the proofs I employ here are in my view as certain and evident as the proofs of geometry, if not more so, it will, I fear, be impossible for many people to achieve an adequate perception of them, both because they are rather long and some depend on others, and also, above all, because they require a mind which is completely free from preconceived opinions and
which can easily detach itself from involvement with the senses.
I will suppose therefore that not God, who is supremely good and the source of truth, but rather some malicious demon of the utmost power and cunning has employed all his energies in order to deceive me.
