An atheist can accept that the natural vs. non-natural distinction is here referring to what is in the real nature of a thing; and so behavior contrary to it is unnatural. — Bob Ross
But perhaps I have misunderstood, and you are not objecting to Ross' moral realism or the simple fact that he has 'ought'-commitments. — Leontiskos
But your side of the issue does the exact same thing. — Leontiskos
You would have to commit yourself to the absurd view that everything a natural organism does is natural. — Bob Ross
Homosexuality is always defective because, at a minimum, it involves an unnatural attraction — Bob Ross
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animalsScientists observe same-sex sexual behavior in animals in different degrees and forms among different species and clades. A 2019 paper states that it has been observed in over 1,500 species.[4] Although same-sex interactions involving genital contact have been reported in many animal species, they are routinely manifested in only a few, including humans.[5] Other than humans, the only known species to exhibit exclusive homosexual orientation is the domesticated sheep (Ovis aries), involving about 10% of males.
Yes, but they are fully men because they have male souls; — Bob Ross
Suppose we take the male sex and the social role of begetting/impregnating. Begetting is not merely a social role, but it is also a social role. If we say that social roles pertain to gender, and gender is separate from sex, then we would not be able to say that the social role of begetting/impregnating is uniquely performed by males. But that seems entirely incorrect, doesn't it? — Leontiskos
Being male is having a nature of the procreative type that serves the role of providing, protecting, impregnating, etc. a female: it is based off of sex. Masculinity is the traits that males naturally gravitate towards, but are not traits that only males could exhibit: same for femininity. Everyone that is male is a male fully in essence but is imperfectly one in existence. — Bob Ross
Your argument is not valid, though ): — Bob Ross
The fact that you called it feminine concedes that you do think gender is tied to biology…. — Bob Ross
... an ahistorical account of gender. — Bob Ross
The very social norms, roles, identities, and expressions involved in gender that are studied in gender studies are historically the symbolic upshot of sex: they are not divorced from each other. — Bob Ross
Why do we need a community? — Copernicus
Why do we need a state? — Copernicus
But does rational mean level headed and peaceable? It just means capable of reasoning. — Tom Storm
What a sad state of affairs that is if the best of all of us cannot or will not help his fellows. All hope is lost.Sorry if you are; can’t help ya. — Mww
the rational being known by a subject as itself. — Mww
….in yourself, is the answer.
— unenlightened
Absolutely, and from which follows necessarily, it must be done alone. — Mww
It wasn't about the fruitfulness of Husserls method. On that we agreed. It was about the so called transcendental ego (t ego). Briefly, they supported Husserls Hypothesis that the t ego was the end game in any search for the self, often confused with our real consciousness. I believe that there is no self but a consciousness before [beyond] the self, and that is the real so called t-ego [true /real consciousness; i.e. before a self is constructed by joining history/human consciousness] philosophers and mystics alike are after. — ENOAH
Paul SimonHello, darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence
How to use AI effectively to do philosophy.
Do you guys ever experience hypobaric hypoxia from being so high above everyone else? — Athena
Nobody must question the medical model, because it is a scientific model. Scientists are objective and therefore mentally healthy.
— unenlightened
This does seem to be a problem, despite psychiatry being in its infancy as a discipline when compared to medical science, or other sciences. Does recognizing the limitations of the medical model address this problem, or do you see the model itself as the problem? — Jeremy Murray
but even if the communication I experienced with my brother was 'meaningful', it was certainly degraded and impoverished when he was psychotic. — Jeremy Murray
I find them as annoying as you find psychologists. — Hanover
Experience includes thoughts and feelings, whereas behaviour is about how a person acts in regard to thoughts and feelings. For example, a person may experience intrusive thoughts of suicide or harming others and what is critical is the perceived risk of a person acting out the intrusive thoughts. — Jack Cummins
But what of those that are well beyond that, like the schizophrenic, extreme cases of borderline, suicidal, seriously addicted. I don't feel any particular need to protect the psychiatric industry, but I'm not so willing to throw it out for all people if it has proven successes. — Hanover
But accepting your position that the medical model ought be subject to question and not accepted uncritically, what alternative do you propose for those suffering psychologically. — Hanover
mental health involves subjective experiences and objective aspects of behaviour. — Jack Cummins
And because I am well acquainted with the authors being discussed, I knew that the information it was using for its arguments was not being simply fabricated out of whole cloth, but was highly relevant and based on real texts of the authors. I almost always find this to be the case with regard to A.i’s treatment of philosophical issues. — Joshs
What I’ve learned in comparing the forum with a.i. is that, unfortunately, the majority of participants here
don’t have the background to engage in the kinds of discussions I have been able to have with a.i. concerning a range of philosophers dear to my heart, (such as Husserl, Heidegger, Derrida, Deleuze, Gendlin and Wittgenstein), especially when it comes to comparing and contrasting their positions. — Joshs
Thanks for contributing to the nonsense. What is the point now of having any discussions when it is all nonsense? — Harry Hindu
You're complaining about something that has been pervasive well before AI became a thing. — Harry Hindu
Are you sure about that? This seems quite exaggerated. — Pierre-Normand
AI gets its information from scraping public websites. It does not make up its own data. — Harry Hindu
If AI was disconnected from reality then how can it provide useful answers? What makes AI useful? What makes any tool useful? — Harry Hindu
We may be witnessing, in real time, the birth of a snowball of bullshit.
Large language models are trained on data sets that are built by scraping the internet for text, including all the toxic, silly, false, malicious things humans have written online. The finished AI models regurgitate these falsehoods as fact, and their output is spread everywhere online. Tech companies scrape the internet again, scooping up AI-written text that they use to train bigger, more convincing models, which humans can use to generate even more nonsense before it is scraped again and again, ad nauseam.
