The British isles will freeze over. — frank
We’re seeing these effects at 1.1. Imagine 2.4. — Mikie
I think that your interpretation of what Herrington said is incorrect (what Herrington said is ambiguous). — Agree-to-Disagree
(my bold)Research by Herrington, a rising star in efforts to place data analysis at the center of efforts to curb climate breakdown, affirmed the bleaker scenarios put forward in a landmark 1972 MIT study, The Limits to Growth, that presented various outcomes for what could happen when the growth of industrial civilization collided with finite resources.
This one is made by Sabine Hossenfelder, the well known petrol-head who has a PhD in physics. — Agree-to-Disagree
(my bold)Our climate simulations led to the staggering conclusion that continued growth of ice melt will cause shutdown of the North Atlantic and Southern Ocean overturning circulations as early as midcentury and “nonlinearly growing sea level rise, reaching several meters in 50-150 years.”Footnote111 These results contrast sharply with IPCC conclusions based on global climate models. Growing freshwater injection in the Ice Melt model49 already limits warming in the Southern Ocean by the 2020s with cooling in that region by midcentury. In contrast, models that IPCC relies on have strong warming in the Southern Ocean. Observed sea surface temperature is consistent with results from the Ice Melt model,49 but inconsistent with the models that IPCC relies on (Figure 20).Footnote112
quantum computers are God! — frank
Herrington found that the data aligned with the predictions made back in 1972, which had a worst-case scenario of economic growth coming to a halt at the end of this decade and society collapsing around 10 years later.
The results were pretty terrifying — Agree-to-Disagree
(this is not an exhaustive list) — Agree-to-Disagree
James Hansen’s New Paper and Presentation: Global Warming Has ACCELERATED
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James Hansen power point presentation link:
Dr. Pushker Kharecha power point slides and other scientists power point slides
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/y4zf25blgotzekhhjuwvk/AD5ejwIIbgxx6cRBdFRIWw8?e=1&mc_cid=8c6e107514&rlkey=sl54bq0g8t13jq6h9eerjvgxy&st=4rorogat&utm_campaign=8c6e107514-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2024_10_31_04_36_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_source=SDSN&utm_term=0_-01f09620b9-179349392&dl=0
Some key points to understand:
- the 1.5C target has already been surpassed
- with temperature increasing at an accelerated pace since 2010 of 0.36 C per decade (double the rate of rise from 1970 to 2010) we will gain an additional 0.5 in less than 15 years (15 year rise will be 0.36 x 1.5 equals 0.54 C) which will bring us above 2 C by 2040 at the latest
- climate sensitivity is 4.5 C for a doubling of CO2, much higher than the IPCC value of 3 C
- AMOC will likely collapse before 2050 due to fresh water hosing in the North Atlantic at much higher rates (double) than the value used in Hansen's previous paper
- last time AMOC shut down, global sea level rise went up several meters. Clearly, with an AMOC shutdown cooling the Arctic more heat builds up in the Southern Hemisphere and equatorial regions, so Antarctica melt rate increases rapidly and dominates the reduced melt rate from Greenland glaciers
James Hansen scientific paper link:
Publisher link:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00139157.2025.2434494#abstractart
Actual paper link:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/epdf/10.1080/00139157.2025.2434494?needAccess=true
He completely blindsided Congress with his ridiculous Riviera in Gaza thought bubble, — Wayfarer
“Oh, hey, we’re going to impose huge sanctions on our two nearest and main trading partners, Mexico and Canada. …Wait on. What? They’re on the phone? Lemme talk to them…”
“OK, we’re NOT going to impose huge sanctions on our two nearest and main trading partners, Mexico and Canada. They were real nice to me, told me what a great president I am, and said they’ll send troops.” — Wayfarer
Thanks, we here take great pride in our ability to have constructed such a Kafkaesque system. — Count Timothy von Icarus
I’ll be compiling a list of the stupid shit he’s brought up for the last 20 pages that were refuted, debunked, or retracted. — Mikie
The US paid off the huge WWII national debt through a combination of economic growth (a boom), higher rates of taxation (especially on top earners), and fiscal discipline. — BC
As long as the Soviet Union appeared to be an existential threat, — frank
Wow. There's a lot of strong emotions about this. — frank
In a democracy there is no way to limit government spending. Only an entity who does not answer to the people can do that. It's kind of bizarre that it's Elon Musk doing it, but there you have it.
This fault in democracy is something the human race has yet to resolve. — frank
No, it's true. The US has struggled with the problem for decades. There is no solution within the framework of democracy. — frank
Surely there must be an alarm bell ringing somewhere about this? — Wayfarer
So the number of excess deaths associated with the five heat periods in England and Wales is not as bad as the raw numbers suggest. — Agree-to-Disagree
Summary of point 2
Most people spend most of the year a bit colder than is "best" (a bit below the optimum).
A little bit of global warming would save many lives, even in the hottest parts of the world. — Agree-to-Disagree
Some researchers expect that as many as 1.8 million deaths each year are attributed to short-term temperature variability alone. Large swings from cold to warm conditions, or vice versa, can put pressure on our organ systems and increase health risks.
Rational people know that there are some serious problems. — Agree-to-Disagree
https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/POST-PN-0723/POST-PN-0723.pdfDifferent methods were used by Government bodies to estimate heat-related
mortality in 2022. A UKHSA analysis reported an estimated 2,985 excess deaths
associated with the five heat periods in England (Figure 1).32
Using a slightly different baseline, an Office for National Statistics (ONS) analysis
reported 3,271 excess deaths associated with the five heat periods in England and
Wales.
33 The ONS also estimated there were 3,363 – 5,587 heat-related deaths in
England in all of 2022.34c
In the UK, fires linked to lithium-ion batteries in e-scooters and e-bikes have quadrupled since 2020, killing eight people and injuring 190, external.
You are not reliable because you are wrong. — Agree-to-Disagree
By saying "No" you have proved that you are not a reliable source of information. — Agree-to-Disagree
Do you accept that there are some serious problems with EVs, lithium batteries, solar power, wind power, infrastructure for charging EVs, infrastructure for getting electricity from where it is generated to where it is used, the fact that many people don't want an EV, the fact that EVs are not suitable for all situations, etc. — Agree-to-Disagree
As far as I can see that collective will doesn't exist. — Agree-to-Disagree
You seem to have faith that new technology will solve the problems associated with large scale energy storage.
Why don't you have faith that new technology will solve the problems associated with climate change (e.g. the CO2 level) ? — Agree-to-Disagree
I think that MGUY is concerned that the proposed solutions to climate change that are being rushed in will cause serious problems. I have the same concern. — Agree-to-Disagree
It may be that once the age distribution of gasoline cars and EVs is taken into account that they both have a similar risk of catching fire, There is also the possibility that the risk of an EV catching fire is greater than the risk of a gasoline car catching fire. — Agree-to-Disagree