Me, not as a Christian, and being I suppose condemned to the discomforts of hell, take the view that the Christian god isn't so benevolent. — Hanover

You are more gentle with your criticism than I.

I no longer mince words and use more of the language used in this quote.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

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Tzeentch — Tzeentch

The whole of the bible is allegory.

I read it as an esoteric ecumenist and see what happens in the bible as what sages want us to think is supposed to happen in all of our minds.

Have a look at the creation painting in the Vatican and note that god is sitting in a representation of the human right hemisphere of our brains.

That thinking is exemplified with these quotes and the thinking behind them.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

This is close to the Gnostic Christian thinking as it shows the savior ascending from within us and not descending form outside of us somewhere.

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This puts not only the New Testament in an entirely new perspective, but also severely puts to the question the position that Christianity came forth from Judaism. — Tzeentch

Sure, ones POV will change when one changes ones view of what god is.

Christianity is Judaism 2.0 and Islam is Judaism 3.0. This is undeniable.

I have not seen any Christian denounce Yahweh as a fraud. Have you?

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I can't see any hate in this girl. She's just stating facts. — iolo

I'm not sure just what facts you are referring to, but when I read of any love bias, I automatically read in a hate bias for all that would jeopardize that which is loved.

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Anyone who doesn't know what hate is is a moron. And anyone who says they haven't ever felt hatred is a liar. — S

Accurate.

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except perhaps vote for Trump or Brexit! — iolo

I do not recognize these as equivalent.

Trump is in a vile class all of his own and if the poor want help, they are voting the wrong way.

Brexit, FMPOV, is wanted for a different reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq_lhlIn1e0

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So, I maintain my conviction. Love can exist without hate; hate can't exist without love. One is essential; the other isn't. — javra

The link I put up shows otherwise. Dualism exists in our emotions, like it or not.

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Sure you can love others without first learning how to love your own self. This type of unfounded, unintuitive psychobabble bullshit really irritates me. — god must be atheist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LIb22-5Lwg

I don't know if you saw this link above.

As you can see, it is not unfounded psychobabble.

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Goinbroknstyle — Goinbroknstyle

I agree.

I have been waiting to have all here view this link that shows that we create a hate bias from our love biases in an automatic way. Love creates or triggers our hate biases.

If love creates hate, that is good enough for me to embrace both hate and love biases.
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FOR ALL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LIb22-5Lwg

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"In order to truly hate others, you must first learn to hate thy own self." — god must be atheist

This cannot happen till one learns to love himself. In that sense, I agree with you.

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Since the emotion of hate exists, it must have some kind of useful survival value. Just like all emotions, however, you will need to remain in control of them, because otherwise they could end up controlling you. — alcontali

I apply this to all human traits.

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a state of childish emotionalism. — iolo

Like this child is expressing?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/23/greta-thunberg-speech-un-2019-address

Adults should be more like her.

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I just think you shouldn't view bias with such discomfort and try to run away from it as from your own shadow. — Shamshir

Yep. Recognize and justify should be how we deal with all our biases, good or evil.

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Hate might as well be about as meaningful as a curse word. — Swan

If you have been a victim of the standard mainstream homophobic and misogynous religions, then hate will mean more to you than just a minor irritant.

Hopefully, it will trigger your hate against homophobia and misogyny.

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What I have a problem with is certain negative actions connected to hate, such as the initiation of nonconsensual violence. — Terrapin Station

I do not like violence either but if hate comes at me to hurt me, I will embrace the hate that drives me to retaliate.

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Jesus said to love ourselves. That would include embracing our evil side. — Gnostic Christian BishopI agree with the spirit of this, but I don't consider hate evil. — Coben

As I showed above, I think the Yin and Yang of love and hate to be two sides that compliment each other. Yin and Yang are compliments to each other and not in opposition to each other.

If hate is not evil to you, how would you define it, as good?

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I'd guess that the key ingredient in hatred is a feeling of inadequacy: — iolo

Are you talking self hatred here and jealousy towards others that you think better than you?

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I don't think I've ever felt hatred or have the potential to. — Swan

Then I do not think you have learned to love fully.

It is pure stupidity and a product of the most primitive part of the brain; (which are usually the stupid parts). — Swan

I disagree, given that it is our instincts that have gotten us this far.

"Evil" is just Christian stuff. The opposite of good is not evil. — Swan

Those concepts were around way before Yahweh even thought of coveting a human woman for reproduction. The pig.

Embracing biases is almost like embracing willful ignorance. If you have the means, the options, and the tools to mitigate, lessen and reduce certain biases, why "embrace" them...? — Swan

I do not see those as equal and if you do not embrace your biases, good or evil, you likely will have a harder time mitigating the consequences. If you do not embrace them, you will not understand your own emotions.

You sound well beyond a minor/teen. — Swan

I hope so. My first born is 50. I am still a kid at heart.

Thanks for the well thought out post.

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Love can exist just fine in absence of hatred and, depending on perspective, can be argued to best thrive when hatred is absent. — javra

I am not sure on this as even god said he was a jealous god when speaking of his love for us.

I admit that I have never been insecure in those I chose to love.

love devoid of hate can be experienced. Hate devoid of love cannot. — javra

I think that the love or hate we feel at all times are intertwined, as I showed above with love creating hate.

To the first question: Hatred then is triggered from a desire to defend that which is loved. — javra

The near perfect answer.

So, to me, the merits of embracing hatred are very much contingent upon what hatreds one holds. — javra

Which are determined by what one loves, which is why I did not like you trying to separate the Yin and Yang of love and hate.

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After all, arguing in this vein, it makes the existence of "love" possible! — Daniel C

In our dualistic reality, it could not be otherwise. That is why we should embrace our evil side.

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I don't understand why you framed your question like "what triggers hate?". It implies that you know what is hate. — TheMadFool

I think I know what creates or triggers hate and do know what it is, but I did not want to divulge it from the get go. I wanted to see what you guys thought first.

that trigger your hate are rather obvious truths about reality. Don't you hate it when you can't find the keys — TheMadFool

No. I do not hate such trivia. I just get annoyed and move on.

Psychology and sociology may be able to help us understand the origins of hate, what abets and perpetuates it. Presumably most explanations will invariably point the finger at human nature. — TheMadFool

From what I think I know, science has already shown that hate is born from love and we are born with a human nature that defaults to love. Love seems to create and trigger hate as a response to anything that might jeopardize what we love.

Should you embrace it? Do you like truth that much? — TheMadFool

I do as I prefer to be led by truth than lies.

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I think hate is a natural response to that which makes a person feel vulnerable. — Tzeentch

We are the weakest and most insecure animal on the planet so you are correct in using vulnerable as a synonym. Our selfish gene is controlling our hate biases as well as our love biases.

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Because knowing isn't an alternative to belief, it's a qualified type of belief. — Terrapin Station

I agree.

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Now it's time to practice what you preach.... — Pattern-chaser

I have been at it for years.

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vous êtes Québécois. — Coben

Québécois. Non.

Ontarien. Oui.

On entend dire que les gens vont être prétentieux, mais j'ai toujours été traité si merveilleusement. — Coben

Nous avon les deux caractéristique qui se balance.

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PoeticUniverse — PoeticUniverse

Thanks for this.

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Daniel C — Daniel C

Nicely done.
Christians should discern the lack of justice justice as well.

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If you think you should live by the Golden Rule, change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

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The very odd time, I change a mind from an immoral point of view to a moral point of view.
I help a person gain the most powerful gift that can exist. A better point of view.
All I did was point out the obvious.
Here is a recent conversation.

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Ok...we both know that infanticide is wrong, but what exactly is it about it that is wrong?

wildcat
You just became your Father and ascended to the Judgement seat.
I did not think I would ever see such a rare thing.
You might be one of the chosen of the Gnostic Christian Jesus. He recognizes by your works and deeds and would see that you irrefutably have added gain to your moral sense. You created a paradigm shift in your own mind. Likely now what is a Christ consciousness.
What is wrong with infanticide is covered by the Golden Rule as well as being a commandment in every decent religious and political legal system.
Even as we all ignore it and kill to this point where we are engineering our own extinction.
That human extinction has already begun. Ask any child to confirm this fact.
The immoral are very dim and I am please that you have brightened.
Your new light brings tears to my mind’s eye.
Thank you for the pleasure and pain.
My best regards.
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epistemologist — Coben

Are you swearing at me?

I am French and cant even pronounce that without slapping myself with my own tongue; tabarnac de calisse.

Pardon my swearing. ;-)

Being barely educated is a bitch.

Let's KIS.

Faith, something based on nothing concrete.
Belief, something based on something but not proven. Close to " I think so and think it true.
Knowledge, something based on facts that are provable.

I have faith that my thing will grow longer before I die.
I believe this passionately based on my desire and bio feedback science
I know it will not happen because there is no evidence for such a thing and I am already too long for most women.

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I thought you were just a fan of "The Lion King." — T Clark

I didn't know that he was a Gnostic Christian or atheist.

Smart lion if he dropped his atheism for Gnostic Christianity.

Hint. Hint.

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I wasn't aware that you are not an atheist. — T Clark

My avatar ------- what can I say.

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It's long gone. — petrichor

I guess that most had my same opinion.

Long live this place as there are a good number of decent minds here.

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Knowledge is a qualified type of belief: it's belief for which we have some justification and which we judge to be true. — Terrapin Station

I can live with this description.

Why the question marks?

You seem to understand and agree with what I put.

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Oh yeah? Why not? — petrichor

I did not find any interesting people to chat with.

I do recall the one guy that was not bad but that was about it. You might have noted that it is not a super active place, if it is still open.

I joined the site to see what they had to say about the insight and apotheosis that some say some drugs produce. I did not find any. Not even anything that was superior to my own apotheosis. At least I could articulate mine while no one there seemed able to articulate theirs.

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there is a Great Evil destroying our homes, our livelihoods and ourselves. This Great Evil is humans. Please fight them for us, and kill them all if you can. Amen. — Pattern-chaser

Stupid is as stupid writes.

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that any trouble with religious issues is caused by people who are anti-religion. — T Clark

Rather selective in your views.

You centered me out as one of the worst offenders, and you are correct, while ignoring that I am a religionist whom you have tried to label as an atheist.

I repeat, if you are not against the vile homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions that posit that a genocidal prick of a god is somehow good, then you have a corrupted moral sense.

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But this doesn't prevent one from being earnestly spiritual in something like a Naturalistic Pantheism way. Spinoza being a good example of this. Other similar approaches can also be found.

And I second god must be atheist's belief that @Gnostic Christian Bishop is not an atheist. — javra

Correct. I labeled myself a Gnostic Christian because it was the best ideology I could find in both the moral area and the free thinking area. I am an esoteric ecumenist and naturalist who believes in seeking god as Jesus taught and raising the bar of excellent whenever I think I have found god. God here I define as the best rules ands laws to live life by.

All the gods and or our notions of god have come out of humans minds, and thus the only god we should bow to is a human one.

The god of an ant is an ant.
The god of a lion is a lion.
The god of a human, is a human.

We are natural animals and should follow natures ways.

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my vote would be to evict the atheists. — T Clark

Stupid is as stupid writes.

A philosophy forum without the freest thinkers would be a fundamental religionist forum, full of fool, fool.

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smart thing for people would be to post on segregated forums: atheists where no religious talk is allowed, and the religious, where no atheist talk is allowed. A lot, and I mean a lot, of ill feelings and futile argumenting could be avoided this way. — god must be atheist

No buddy. A thousand times no.

How can we cure the ill if we do not go to their hospital?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgeQaDnpuPM

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