That’s your opinion, or truth. It doesn’t really matter which one it is, because you dismiss the reality of God’s existence. — Brett
That’s your opinion, or truth.
— Brett
...and there it is; opinion instead of truth. — Banno
I don't dismiss anything until you tell me what it is I'm supposedly denying. — Xtrix
God is a concept and a word, and a poorly defined one at that. — Xtrix
You happened to be raised in a tradition that takes that word seriously. It grows out of the same human mind that creates all kinds of rules for behavior. — Xtrix
God is a concept and a word, and a poorly defined one at that.
— Xtrix — Brett
You happened to be raised in a tradition that takes that word seriously. It grows out of the same human mind that creates all kinds of rules for behavior. — Xtrix
As humans, I think we all have the capacity to be creatively original in how we perceive reality in our own minds, but few of us can render this genuine originality in a way that others would perceive as comprehensible, relatable or accurate. — Possibility
My provisional definition of creative is: non-logical ways of arriving at correct assumptions. — Noble Dust
Bert, you are not understanding schizophrenia. — Athena
We should not assume the schizophrenic is working with good information. I argue with myself all the time and I think that is normal, especially when we receive conflicting information or we have one day off and a list of things we want to do and a list of things we should do, or we see that yummy chocolate cake and know we shouldn't eat it. But for a schizophrenic, the information they are working with can not always be tied to reality and their condition may isolate them adding social rejection to their problems. — Athena
So, I infer that a quantum measurement is an extraction of Information (knowledge, meaning) from the target. And, just as Energy adds Information to something, Measurement (inference) subtracts Information. — Gnomon
In physics, both positive & negative actions cause a change of some kind in the target acted-upon. And the causation can be imagined as an exchange of causal Information.
If this causal relationship between Mind & Matter is true, then the mind does have the power of causal agency in the physical world. — Gnomon
But matter is something we feel, touch, smell, taste with our material senses. The same problem seeps into the problem of nothing and the vacuum. They are just fundamentally different concepts that we are trying to blend into one. — magritte
In 1958 we stopped transmitting the culture that we had put in place for a highly moral society that can enjoy liberty without authority above the people and without social problems, and we left moral training to the church. This was a huge mistake! — Athena
It's not really creative if it isn't new or original, you are just copying from elsewhere. — Darkneos
God is a concept and a word, and a poorly defined one at that. — Xtrix
You happened to be raised in a tradition that takes that word seriously. It grows out of the same human mind that creates all kinds of rules for behavior. — Xtrix
Data? What is proper data?
— Brett
Maybe some definitions would help. As Tim said, what exactly is a god. What is a truth as you use the word here. — Sir2u
That’s not what I said. Reread my first post.
— Brett
OK, here it is.
For all those avowed atheists out there; if God and the beliefs in God’s existence and actions have no validity, no claim to truth, then what truth have you replaced them with?
— Brett
I did read it again and it says just what I stated. The truths about god have to be replaced by something. The problem is you have not specified those truths yet either. — Sir2u
Now, you have supposed me an atheist. I asked on what basis. — tim wood
I asked you what god is, so that we could proceed. And you answer what some people believe and suppose. — tim wood
And apparently - I'm guessing - you wish to make some point about truth. But I am pretty sure you have no idea what truth is. — tim wood
We can see historically and without question that in the US there has been little interest in philosophy except for a handful of elite youths who could go to college. — Athena
do you not think that it is fair to say that we all have splits in reason and lack of it? — Jack Cummins
How, then, are mistakes possible? — khaled
The reason I am getting a bit heated over the matter is because I have worked with people diagnosed with this mental health problem and see it as a sensitive issue. — Jack Cummins
so schizophrenia has no bearing on the matter and did not need to be mentioned at all. — Jack Cummins
I am sorry if you think that I misinterpreted you. — Jack Cummins
A couple of posts above, you brought in the term schizophrenia,for no apparent reason in the middle of an argument about irrationality. It just seemed a bit out of context and incongruous. There might be people on this forum who have been given this diagnosis. I am not implying that you do not understand the meaning of the term, but I still want to emphasise that the word, schizophrenia, should not be misused, in a colloquial sense, to imply a split personality. — Jack Cummins
Is it possible to imagine oblivion? Imagine non-existence? — TiredThinker
But we’re not talking about facts.
— Brett
Yes you are.
For all those avowed atheists out there; if God and the beliefs in God’s existence and actions have no validity, no claim to truth, then what truth have you replaced them with?
— Brett
Information that is valid, or truthful is called a fact. — Sir2u
What is god? That's the question. — tim wood
If you have not been taught to believe in gods, it does not mean that you are ignorant of other people believing in their existence. — Sir2u
But this discussion is getting boring without having the proper data necessary to continue. You said the the truths about god need to be replaced by something, so exactly which truths are you talking about? Maybe this will help to decide what could possibly replace them. — Sir2u
You said the the truths about god need to be replaced by something, — Sir2u
You cannot judge it as irrational relative to the conventional logic, because the conventional logic might really be the one that's off the rails. Therefore we must assume something else, God's logic or something like that, and say that it could be judged relative to God's logic, which would validate the conclusion that the person's logic might be irrational. — Metaphysician Undercover
I don't think we can say that they are equal. — Metaphysician Undercover
What is atheist?
Do you even know? — tim wood
No, I do not believe that any even half-way intelligent half-way educated person can be an atheist. Depending on just what is meant by "atheist." — tim wood
There are people that are never given religious education, that would mean that they never had what you call truth. — Sir2u
But you have failed to take into account that many people that are atheists never believed in any god, would that mean that they never had any truths? — Sir2u
I don’t know how they would have come to that conclusion. Would that belief be from birth? — Brett
So it is a belief. Not all beliefs are truth. — Sir2u
How many of them would you consider to be facts. — Sir2u
Therefore that person who uses some idiosyncratic form of abduction, who appears to be "off the rails", might really be the one required to put us back on track. — Metaphysician Undercover
Furthermore, it is possible that the reason why the person's conclusions are inconsistent with conventional conclusions is that the conventional conclusions are actually "off the rails". — Metaphysician Undercover