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  • Jesus Freaks
    Great post.

    In the long run (2000 years) and in the short run (last 15 minutes) tradition is both brick and mortar, and the Bible, the writings of the saints, of reformers, hymns, liturgy and so on are more bricks in the edifice of Christianity. God is a piece of that tradition, older than Jesus.

    There are days when beyond question I am not a believer. Other days my atheism wavers. I was too deeply immersed in Protestant Christendom (one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church) to be anything but an ambivalent, wavering atheist.

    Still, I am not a pissed-off-church-hating-atheist. From certain angles, religion is just plain weird and freakish. From another angle, it is a balm; maybe glorious. Another angle shows us its holy real estate function. It's a club--mostly they are easy to get into, though personally, I'd avoid joining hard boiled Baptists in so much as a wiener roast.
  • POLL: Why is the murder rate in the United States almost 5 times that of the United Kingdom?
    What you say here is absolutely true. It is also true that various entities and 'forces' put poor blacks where they ended up as much as that was possible, and structured housing and other policies on the "No Exit" principle.

    So, a lot of white people ended up at the bottom too, as per your description, When groups that could be identified (like Asians, Mexicans, effeminate swishy gays, blacks, etc.) they also were subjected to policy limitations, plus the processes you describe.
  • Jesus Freaks
    I don't have fond memories of the Jesus Freaks of the 1960s and 1970s.Ciceronianus

    I don't either; I don't have fond memories of current Jesus Freaks either, though "freak" has fallen into disuse.

    Jesus, I say as a profound heresy, has always been a construction of "the Church" wherever, whenever and whoever the church was at the moment to satisfy whatever need. "My Jesus" has become more and more obscure, verging on non-existence. The "Jesus" I like is similar to Dorothy Day, the founder of the Catholic Workers. Day herself was a devout Catholic.

    As saints and near saints go, Dorothy Day was likely much more tolerable than Mother Teresa. I'm very glad I didn't have to spend any time with Her Albanian Saintliness. Day didn't want to be referred for sainthood because, she said, "I don't to be dismissed that easily."

    Somebody named Joshua existed (Joshua = Jesus). "Some one person" was the germ plasm of the Jesus the Church planted and grew. Who how when where why... big mystery.
  • Jesus Freaks
    "You mean symbolically."T Clark

    One of my favorite southern Catholic writers is Flannery O'Connor, “Someone once told the Catholic writer Flannery O'Connor that it is more open-minded to think that the Blessed Sacrament of the Altar is a great, wonderful, powerful symbol. Her response was, “If it's only a symbol, to hell with it.”

    Not well known fact: Lutherans also believe that the bread and wine is literally the body and blood of Christ, during the acts of the Eurcharist. At the end of the Eucharistic service, the bread and wine remaining are no longer flesh and blood.

    Catholics believe that the body and blood remains body and blood, so... the priest consumes the remainder of the wine, and the remaining bread is kept in a monstrance, to be venerated. (Monstrance derives from Latin monstrare to show.)
  • POLL: Why is the murder rate in the United States almost 5 times that of the United Kingdom?
    The quasi-conspiracy theory I'm going to lay on you is that gangs are part of a situation that was intentionally fostered: they built projects for black people to live in, allowed those communities to be inundated by drugs (there's more credibility to that than I would have thought : the FBI looked into it.). And refusing to do gun control not only reduces the population of black men, but makes sure a lot of them end up behind bars. For real, black men have the highest mortality rate in the US demographically.frank

    It is a quasi-conspiracy.

    Yes, they did build projects for black people to live in, and the initial experience of the residents was good. There was a flaw, however: too many families, too many children. Little children don't join gangs. When they get to be teen-agers, they do. The housing projects didn't spawn gangs, but they were infiltrated by nearby gangs who sold drugs, fought turf battles, and gradually turned the projects into a social disaster for the residents.

    Was this inevitable?

    No, but preventing this unfortunate outcome (which some cities, like New York, managed to prevent) required good advance planning and proactive policing and maintenance. Cities like Chicago failed.

    The gangs proceeded the housing.

    Gun manufacture is, of course, a perfectly legitimate capitalist activity. Gang members might buy some guns brand-new at gun shops, but are much more likely to acquire guns from a shadowy secondary market. Gang members are usually not gun nuts; quite often they use cheap hand guns, not the items that gun nuts desire. (I'm extrapolating here, sort of guessing.).

    Adolescent male gang members behave like your typical adolescent male whose emotional control is not well developed. They are a touchy lot, kind of tetchy at times. Upset them and a spray of bullts is the result. Then too, gangs have a habit of more cooly settling scores with guns. But, as bad luck would have it, they aren't marksmen so there is quite often collateral damage.

    The conspiracy isn't public housing, drugs, or guns. The "conspiracy" -- if you can call it that -- is 155 years worth of post-slavery economic, political, and social suppression of blacks. The substructure and superstructure of racial suppression has been reduced, but it hasn't been torn down the way the old housing projects have been. Groups subjected to ongoing suppression and marginalization tend not to do well. Some individuals escape, do OK, maybe flourish and excel, but a most don't.

    All that is not critical race theory, that's just conventional history. If the Brooklyn Bridge was a conspiracy, most Brooklynites and New Yorkers played no part in it, even if they benefitted from its construction. Same thing with racial suppression. Most whites were not part of the conspiracy, even if they were OK with the results.
  • POLL: Why is the murder rate in the United States almost 5 times that of the United Kingdom?
    Very apt observations. There are "random shootings" but more often than not, the shooter and the target know each other. Gangs have taken territory seriously for a long time. Whether it's just the status of claiming 3 blocks as "theirs".

    1957 Broadway Lyrics West Side Story. 1957 was nothing special in the history of gangs, of course. The 5 Points gangs in 19th century New York were bad news. Then there are the clans of Scotland, who were bloodthirsty gangs, designer plaids notwithstanding. Then the IRA, Sinn Féin, Royal Ulster Constabulary, the whole slug of Windsors, the KKK, KGB, CIA, etc.etc . etc.

    RIFF
    When you're a Jet,
    You're a Jet all the way
    From your first cigarette
    To your last dyin' day.

    When you're a Jet,
    If the spit hits the fan,
    You got brothers around,
    You're a family man.

    You're never alone,
    You're never disconnected.
    You're home with your own—
    When company's expected,
    You're well protected!

    The Jets and Sharks didn't seem to be engaged in anything illegal, just brotherhood and turf-holding. And that produced reason enough to fight with knives and chains. Guns hadn't become de rigueur yet.
  • When the CIA studied PoMo
    Haven't seen that cartoon in decades. It was very influential in my development of sarcasm. Thanks for posting it.

    If the CIA wants to create public opinion then it ought to be active on TikTok and TPF.magritte

    Who says they are not? We could have a contest guessing which TPF participants are CIA agents. I'll start with @Streetlightx. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
  • Black woman on Supreme Court
    As it stands now, I fail to see your reason for denying this is racist.Pinprick

    You are not being racist. You are being obtuse.

    Obtuse:
    "annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand."
    "he wondered if the doctor was being deliberately obtuse"
    Similar:
    stupid
    dull
    slow-witted
    slow
    dull-witted
    unintelligent
    witless
    (and more)

    The synonyms are too harsh to be applied to you on this particular instance, but they are tempting.

    Your blunt, literalist interpretation of the word 'racist' makes it impossible for you to see any effort to ameliorate past racial discrimination as anything but more racism.

    How do you plead?
  • Dark Side of the Welfare State
    Apathy is the product of alienation rather than the product of financial security.sime

    And what it creates is apathy.ssu

    @Sime, you and ssu are in agreement.

    The problem with the welfare state is that the money doled out is clearly not enough to pay for food and rentgod must be atheist

    Absolutely. I am no longer up-to-date on Minnesota benefits, but 'welfare' for single adults with no children is less than $300 a month. Being on welfare entitles one to Medicaid, which is worth quite a lot--IF one is sick or injured, which is not a good thing. A single disabled adult with a poor work history (or young) is entitled to around $700 a month, plus Medicaid. IF one is well organized, and one applied for public housing years in advance, one has a good chance of getting into public housing. They charge 33% of whatever income one has.

    If you are not well organized and at least somewhat confused, you are screwed, unless you happen to fall into some category for which there is a program with an opening. Even if you are program-qualified, there might not be an opening and you are still screwed.

    If you are organized, not too confused, and lucky, you are not home free. All programs have hurdles and loopholes that must be observed. Every 6 months, Welfare requires that you confirm your employment status and other information. If you forget to send the form in, you are dropped and must reapply. Hassles. If you are mentally unstable and violate some rule (like not ranting and raving or acting out in your housing) you might be expelled. If you lash out at the wrong person, (and various other scenarios) you are out and screwed again.

    Periodicaly, Disability reviews its clients. If you are unfortunate, not well organized, confused, etc. you can be disqualified. Screwed.

    Unemployment Insurance is no help for the long-term unemployed. Why does one see individuals begging in public, in all kinds of weather - heat and cold both? My guess is that they are emotionally/mentally unable to work in a 'normal, social' setting. Begging involves little interaction; no supervision; no rules and regulations; no co-workers. It isn't an easy way to earn money. I've had some crappy jobs that paid poorly, and they were still better than standing outside all day asking for handouts.
  • The Moon Agreement and Other Space Escapades
    Space exploration, to put it bluntly.L'éléphant

    So far, humans have traveled 250,000 miles from earth to the moon. Mars is about 34,000,000 miles away. The galaxy is 107,000 LIGHT YEARS in diameter. Successfully traveling to our nearby moon does not make us a space-faring civilization, as depicted in science fiction.

    IF and when something we want or need is found on a moon planet, or asteroid, someone will try to go get it, space treaties or not. Common heritage? We have dumped shit on heritage sights that are a lot closer than the moon.

    All of our problems have to be solved under the sky that is overhead. The solutions are to be found here, not there, or they won't be found.

    BTW, I like science fiction, and I like reading about humankind traveling to other solar systems. Of course, in some books, we run into beings more powerful than us who end up eating our lunch. Or, we turn out to be more powerful and we eat somebody else's lunch.

    Or, another theme in science fiction: we travel for a very long time in space and never find anyone else.
  • Can this art work even be defaced?
    I get that about Baker. Of course, on the Internet nobody knows for sure how much of what somebody says reflects their actual life and how much of it is public relations copy. You wouldn't know for instance, that I am actually a cloistered monk with an overheated imagination in an isolated monastery and lots of time on my hands.
  • Can this art work even be defaced?
    I have found great pleasure in music written by people who have been dead for hundreds of years, whether that was sitting in a plush orchestra hall seat or listening to it through earphones on a bus. I can say the same for listening to music performed in the flesh by the guys who wrote it. And I've danced to music in discos.

    BTW, you can rest, assured that people who have paid a hundred bucks to listen to a stage full of professionals play Beethoven are engaged with the music. They own comfortable chairs to sit in, and have many ways of being amused. They don't have to go to to Orchestra Hall for a good time.

    Some music was intended to be the basis of group movement (dance) and some music was intended to be heard by people sitting still -- and this goes back centuries. Gregorio Allegri's Miserere Mei, written in (written in the early 1600s) is still a killer piece of music. The Vatican knew it had a platinum hit, and it didn't want to lose control of the piece. They were successful until a young Amadeus Mozart heard the music in one Good Friday in Rome, and went back to his motel and wrote it out from memory.

    Some orchestral music calls for movement -- thinking of some pieces by the German Michael Praetorius' Terpsichore, for example, 1610.

    Did Stone Age people always move to whatever music they produced? (Some ancient bone flutes have been found, about 66,000 years old. "Ok, shut up everybody, Glug is going to play something now."
  • Black woman on Supreme Court
    Not necessarily. It isn’t like a male can’t be sympathetic to the plights faced by females. There were also white activists during the Civil Rights weren’t there? This type of thinking implies that there are qualities that can only be possessed by people of a specific gender/race, which is just another form of race (or sex) essentialism, correct?Pinprick

    I was specifically asking why, if there were available Asian trans-women as viable options, why a black woman is the best person as someone that is sensitive to the issues inherent in cases concerning race or gender. You made it sound as if black women hold some special vantage point on the matter. But if you're saying that blacks are the only minority that we a viable pool to choose from then that makes more sense.Harry Hindu

    Sex, race, ethnicity, religion, class, education, etc. are not reliable indicators of political or judicial views. Those factors, plus social and professional experiences, are more reliable indicators of how someone will behave in the future. Nothing guarantees a specific opinion or behavior.

    The American colonies and later the union of 13 colonies cum states, was never an egalitarian society. It still isn't. From before our beginning (in England) propertied men and of course white males were the beneficiaries of systems of education, social experience, privilege and power.

    From the first justices down to the present, the largest group of qualified and (very important) well-connected individuals have been white males. Only recently (measured in decades) have any women, white, black, or asian, attained sufficient education, judicial experience, and connections to be considered for the court. That is not to say that there were never women who could have served on the court, but nominating them would have been a huge deviation from standard practice. The political system, after all, was composed exclusively or (lately) mostly white males.

    In the last 30 or 40 years, that has begun to change.

    In an earlier post I pointed out how much conservatives hated the court under Chief Justice Earl Warren (1950s and 1960s). Those hated liberal judges were all white males.

    There are very conservative blacks and women who no political liberal or even moderate would think of appointing to the court. There may be, given time, asian transgender justices who no liberal or even moderate would think of appointing to the Supreme Court. Being asian and transgendered does not, as far as I know, also make one a justice interested in extending civil liberties, lessening corporate privilege, and so on.

    What does make someone a liberal, if anything does, is class, education, and (most important) social experience.
  • Should Whoopi Goldberg be censored?
    Conversely, there were a few Jews able to hide in plain sight because they were tall, blond, blue eyed, and very Aryan in appearance -- more so than many of the top Nazis. Early after the Nazis took over, a diplomat saw Goebbles and asked "Who's the little Jew sitting next to Hitler?"
  • Should Whoopi Goldberg be censored?
    Yes, I know about the very large numbers of people killed by Stalin, and during the famine of the Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward. There are some differences between the Nazi plan for Jews and Slavs, and the actions directed by Stalin. The same comparing Hitler or Stalin with Mao: the differences make little difference. There are millions of dead, whether caused by efficient planning, paranoia, or colossal, malignant incompetence.

    I am not in favor of censoring speech. Whatever the consequence of censorship is, it won't be good.
  • Should Whoopi Goldberg be censored?
    Most Americans work under the legal idea of "Employment at will", meaning one can just quit a job if one so wishes without any penalty (supposedly). The other side of that coin is that one can be fired without any justification -- unless one is working under an agreement, like a union contract. (You probably already know this.).

    Employment at will is one of the features of the workplace that contributes to worker precarity. If one quits, one is ineligible for unemployment insurance. Same thing if one is fired "for cause" -- like maybe one was engaging in 5-fingered discounts, or just outright theft.

    Unemployment benefits vary a lot from state to state, and the harshness with which the program is administered also varies.

    Work sucks. That's why they have to pay people to do it.
  • Should Whoopi Goldberg be censored?
    Saying that the Holocaust was not about racism, but man's inhumanity to man, is a relatively 'weak' statement, but not false. The Nazis were racist, but they used the term in a somewhat different way than it is used contemporarily. Up to the earlier part of the 20th century, some people still used race the way we use 'ethnicity', so the race of Frenchmen, the race of jews, the race of Englishmen, the race of Slavs. The term 'race' also distinguished between Africans, Asians, Europeans, and Indigenous Americans, which is its primary meaning now.

    The holocaust is the example par excellence of inhumanity, and goes downhill from there.

    What makes Whoopi Goldberg's statement relatively weak, is that 'man's inhumanity to man' is used to describe everything from really, really rude behavior to acts which are an abomination (like the holocaust was).
  • When the CIA studied PoMo
    I regret their interest in PoMo. I want our intelligence services to be clear-eyed and rational, science based, and politically reliable. NoPoMo is better than moPoMo.

    There is a lot of text there. Right now I am too hungry and tired to read it.
  • Look to yourself
    You have used many words in your posts which are not bitter and are not cranky. I would like to see you change your 'handle' but perhaps you like the 'ironic' element too much and I fully accept your choice of 'handle' is just that, your choice.universeness

    It is an ironic choice, the irony more visible to me than anyone else. I don't want to change horses mid stream, and this handle goes back to the first incarnation of Philosophy Forum, so a few years worth. Plus it would take too much CPU time to think of another handle.
  • Black woman on Supreme Court
    Why not an Asian trans-gender womanHarry Hindu

    We could have an Asian trans-gender person; we could have an indigenous gay person, we could have a pissed off incel of whatever extraction. One barrier to having these types is that the supremes are usually selected from the cohort of experienced federal judges. There are not many Asian trans-gender, gay indigenous, pissed off Incel judges to start with, even fewer who are experienced. Maybe n=zero in that category.

    Hence, have patience.

    But were I appointing judges, I would not start with a transgendered person. The status of "transgender" is too unsettled at this point.
  • Black woman on Supreme Court
    It turns it's constituents into hypocrites.Harry Hindu

    Hypocrisy is our collective default state.
  • "Surviving Death" Netflix Series Breakdown.
    @Jill: Mexicans, Mafia, Muslims...
  • Can this art work even be defaced?
    So, what actually is that? It looks like it could be a galaxy.T Clark

    It purports to be an image of electrical activity in the central galactic region. Or it's art. It's art on a galactic scale.
  • "Surviving Death" Netflix Series Breakdown.
    I took your recommendation and am watching the first episode of Ozark.

    Riveting, as you said.
  • Can this art work even be defaced?
    I am declaring that this is abstract expression art, the title of which is "What did the galaxy ever do for you, anyway?"

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  • "Surviving Death" Netflix Series Breakdown.
    The atoms of which you are composed will survive your death and go on to have all sorts of interesting adventures FAR FAR FAR into the future. And just think, your drab wretched life may be the fantastic adventures of a few atoms that maybe passed through Julius Caesar and Jesus Christ. Or Atilla the Hun, or Vlad the Impaler, or the guy that invented the wheel, or the champion flint knapper of the mid-stone age. You could contain atoms from the first flowering plant, the first animal to venture onto dry land, the first bird, the last passenger pigeon. It is certain that you are composed of matter created in the Big Bang.

    So what more do you want?
  • Dark Side of the Welfare State
    what if these citizens are actually being effectively abducted into group home or low income neighborhood situations while commonly drugged by a predatory medical establishment and forced to assert that they have an incurable ailment, in essence ostracized to various degrees by their communities?Enrique

    That would be bad. But the picture you paint is inverted, unlike the actual reality.

    The predatory parts of the medical establishment are the various insurance companies, some worse than others, and the for-profit medical system. There are guilty parties here, but the medical staff are not the culprits.

    I am old enough to remember when it really was possible to commit people against their will to the very large state run mental hospitals; those practices were made illegal starting in the early 1970s. However, the old state mental hospitals served a very real need that existed prior to the introduction of drugs that made it possible to greatly lessen the symptoms of psychosis, mania, and depression.

    The treatment available in these hospitals was not great -- and couldn't be great, because the means were not at hand. Since the 1970s, most of these facilities have been closed.

    Today, in every large city, there are homeless people who are mentally ill who would benefit from care on an involuntary basis. They can't receive care under those terms, so the end up immiserated.
  • Black woman on Supreme Court
    Why not an AsianHarry Hindu

    All I good time. Have patience.
  • Look to yourself
    how many are actually learning your ABC's and practicing them every dayuniverseness

    A lot of people perform A and B. C, less so. C takes time, ability, and effort. More people who are capable, though, could do more study, and should.

    all good but the current state of the planet would suggest, it's just not enoughuniverseness

    Well, universeness, our problems may be beyond our capacity to solve. I don't like that, but it may be true.

    It would be nice if we could flip a switch and suddenly have zero carbon output, zero methane output, and so on. No such switch. Too bad. We are DEEPLY dependent on fossil fuels and there is no handy substitute at hand. Wind and solar, nuclear and hydro are alternatives, but we are a long way from deploying them fully. We don't have enough time before things get much worse.

    Yes, we could suddenly shut down carbon emitting plants and processes all over the world, then watch the world's economy collapse. World-wide economic collapse and worsening global warming are both bad. Which one shall we have?

    We are between a rock and a hard place.
  • Black woman on Supreme Court
    The justice system is about finding "a" guilty persongod must be atheist

    That is one of the tasks of the courts. The Supreme Court doesn't do trials. Their main concern is to review cases from the POV of procedure and constitutional questions and to resolve conflicting rulings by lower courts.
  • Black woman on Supreme Court
    The best person should get the job regardless of race, sex, etc.Pinprick

    That's true in some situations; in others, it isn't. Race and gender do not matter when you are hiring a hundred teachers; just got the best you can. The best person to be Pope, however, will be a Catholic male.

    The Supremes are a special group. They generally will not answer in advance how they would rule on potential cases, so some other criteria has to be used for selection. If you want anti-abortion anti-gay justices, pick a conservative Catholic male. If you want more moderate views, pick a liberal Protestant or a Jew. If you want someone sensitive to the issues inherent in cases concerning race and gender, a black woman would be the best person.
  • POLL: Why is the murder rate in the United States almost 5 times that of the United Kingdom?
    What do you think outlawing guns (like the UK does) would do to the US murder rate?Down The Rabbit Hole

    The likelihood of the US Congress and 38 states approving a constitutional amendment repealing the Second Amendment and banning gun possession is zero, or close to it. Even if this were done, there are so many guns already in possession (by about 1/3 of the adult population) gun violence would remain a problem.

    If gun and ammunition manufacture and sale were ended, it would take time for the existing supplies of ammunition to be used up. Some of those bullets would be used to kill people intentionally. Eventually, gun violence would decline; it might take quite a while.

    Now, let me point out again -- as anti-hand gun and anti-assault weapons as I am -- a very small percent of gun owners shoot people. Those who do shoot other people almost always use hand guns. [Of course, mass murders with rifles or assault weapons are an egregious exception.] A large share of hand gun deaths are among young minority males, generally in urban areas, who often are at least relatively poor, may be involved in the drug trade, and may be involved in gangs.

    So, the problem of gratuitous violence also requires changes in the urban environment (economically, socially, educationally, medically, and so on).

    One can kill other people with devices besides guns. A large rock will work if nothing else is available. A highly motivated individual can do it with his bare hands.
  • Look to yourself
    Your opening post is a bit diffuse, but you do ask the perennial good questions.

    Where does the 'responsibility for the way things are lie' and what personal responsibility (if any) do each of us have as a consequence?universeness

    "The way things are", both the good and the bad, are a consequence of mostly insignificant individuals acting within very large, deterministic systems.

    You and I can can choose to ride bikes to work and the grocery store instead of buying big gas-guzzling SUVs, but neither of us are in a position to do anything about the 1 billion cars on the world's roads, or the giant auto, oil, steel, and rubber businesses committed to continuing business as usual, or even changing gears and replacing 1 billion gas guzzling vehicles with 1 billion electricity guzzling vehicles.

    You and I can bicycle across the country to help out in the next big disaster, but fortunately there are large organizations like the Red Cross, FEMA, Catholic Charities, Lutheran World Relief, and so on that are prepared to get there first and to start major relief efforts.

    You and I can try to replace the major system behind a lot of the world's problems, like global capitalism, but we are 2 sardines up against a big herd of sharks.

    What options are left? The same options that have always been open:

    A) Behave generously, fairly, and kindly to those in your immediate community, for whom your behavior makes a difference.
    B) Find a larger system and make a contribution of time and talent.
    C) Read widely and gain knowledge about how the world works.

    "A" is a clear and present opportunity. It yields good for others and good for you.

    "B" offers many options. It doesn't have to be as big as the Red Cross. There are ay small NGOs trying to ameliorate the world's problems. Yes, some are more effective than others, but better to be involved in a so-so effort to heal the world than fecklessly dithering over the sad state of the world all by yourself.

    "C" is very important--you probably already do this. One has to make an effort to make sense of what is going on -- the puzzle won't put itself together by itself. Personally, I find history to be my best source understanding -- not so much ancient history or medieval history, though those are interesting, as 'modern history' the last 200 years or so.

    One of the pleasures of reading history (provided it is accurate) is the "ah ha! So THAT IS WHY things worked out the way they did" moments. Not every history will yield a lot of "ah ha!" moments, but eventually they pile up.

    Here's an example of a really good recent history: The Color of Law by Richard Rothstein (2017) is a history of how the Federal Government, banking, and real estate interests undertook a major housing segregation and home construction program starting before the 1930s, but really getting under way then. This history explains how much of the present segregation of black and white people was brought about, particularly in the new suburbs built after WWII. It wasn't an accident: racial segregation was explicit in the enabling legislation of the Federal Housing Administration (FHA). Legislation and court decisions have since undone the laws and regulations, but the consequences remain.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    You're sure, however, that occupation = oppression. Certainly it can, but equally certainly not necessarily.tim wood

    Tim, even though lots of people are anti-Israeli, it's OK to be on the side of the Israel. What isn't necessary is to bend over backwards to make a positive of everything they are doing. Occupation does pretty much = oppression. What else would it be? European Jews, with the help of Great Britain et al, claimed, occupied, liberated, moved into, invaded, or otherwise came to possess much of the area of Palestine, called Israel and Judea a long time ago.

    Of course the residents of that area, who had been living there for hundreds of years, would resent it.

    And you appear to represent that the Palestinians are the aggrieved party. I submit the Israelis are the aggrieved party and I will merely gesture at the last 75 years of their history as proof.tim wood

    True enough, the new state of Israel had to fight for its existence from the getgo. It was attacked from within it's newly claimed territory and from without. Just guessing, but the Israelis probably expected this to happen. That's why they built up a powerful military (homemade and bought abroad). Is that how they are "aggrieved?

    A man beats his wife: a terrible and horrible thing. But when you grow up you eventually figure out that, terrible as it is, it also may not be as simple as it seems.tim wood

    Oh dear. Tim, when did you stop beating your wife?
  • Black woman on Supreme Court
    I guess I'm asking is if kind of artificially adding diversity is a thing we doTiredThinker

    There is absolutely nothing 'natural' about the SCOTUS; it's an appointed office, so everything about it is "artificial" by definition.

    The ethnicity, race, sex, and age matter some. What is REALLY important is whether the court is "conservative' (tending toward limiting the role of government, protecting corporations, limiting individual rights, etc.) or 'liberal' (tending toward accepting changes and enlargement of government's role, limiting corporations, expanding individual rights, etc.)

    Liberal Americans are experiencing some of the great angst that conservative Americans experienced under the liberal Warren Court, under Chief Justice Earl Warren, 1953-1969.

    The Warren Court expanded civil rights, civil liberties, judicial power, and the federal power in dramatic ways.[1] It has been widely recognized that the court, led by the liberal bloc, has created a major "Constitutional Revolution" in the history of United States.

    The Warren Court brought "one man, one vote" to the United States through a series of rulings, and created the Miranda warning. In addition, the court was both applauded and criticized for bringing an end to de jure racial segregation in the United States, incorporating the Bill of Rights (i.e. including it in the 14th Amendment Due Process clause), and ending officially sanctioned voluntary prayer in public schools. The period is recognized as the highest point in judicial power that has receded ever since, but with a substantial continuing impact.

    Conservatives absolutely hated Earl Warren -- paying for "IMPEACH EARL WARREN" billboards along highways. It should also be noted that the Warren Court was all-white and all-male until Thurgood Marshall was confirmed in 1967.
  • POLL: Why is the murder rate in the United States almost 5 times that of the United Kingdom?
    One of the issues in gun ownership is gun type. In many states quite a few hunt deer, ducks, geese, pheasants, turkeys, rabbits, squirrels, raccoons, etc. with rifles. While a rifle certainly is an effective weapons against their fellow humans, they aren't convenient to tuck into one's pants and whip out if somebody threatens one with a discordant opinion, or something similarly intolerable.

    The larger problem is handguns, which are very portable and pretty much concealable. You can even buy plastic guns over the internet which are not picked up on metal scanners.

    My view is that there are far too many guns of all kinds in the USA. However, they are here now -- at least 1 per person, averaging out the total supply, and there isn't any acceptable way to round them up. While I loathe the slogan, it is true that guns don't kill people ON THEIR OWN--people do. Most people who own guns do not shoot other people. They could, but they don't. That fact doesn't make me feel better, but it a good idea to keep it in mind.

    55% of households in Mississippi own guns, 28% of California households own guns. The state I live in, Minnesota, has a gun rate of 42% and a low rates of gun violence.

    Most of the shooters and victims of gun violence are decidedly NOT middle class.
  • POLL: Why is the murder rate in the United States almost 5 times that of the United Kingdom?


    Also, is the murder rate uniform over the US? It's a humongous country.RolandTyme

    The homicide rate is not at all uniform in 2017, varying from Louisiana, with 653 homicides--a rate of 12.4 per 100,000, to New Hampshire, with 17 homicides for a rate of 1 per 100,000. Very crudely, the SE quarter of the US has much higher homicide rates than the NW quarter of the US.

    Most, but not all, murders are committed with guns, but knives and blunt objects are also effective methods.

    It may surprise some, but a majority of Americans do not own guns.

    About 40% of Americans say they or someone in their household owns a gun, and 22% of individuals (about 72 million people) report owning a gun, according to surveys from Pew and Harvard and Northeastern. This figure has declined over time, down from 51% of gun-owning households in 1978. Gun purchases, however, have hit historic highs in recent years and during the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Fewer people own more guns, and far fewer use them to kill people. In 2020 there were 20,480 homicides in the US--a solid effort, one has to say, but in decades past the the rate of murder was higher--another sign of declining US productivity. People in Chicago, though, know how to get things done. In 2021 there were 849 homicides (any method). Chicago has a great web site for tracking murder and assault -- HEY JACKASS!. Sadly, other cities lack this one service.

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  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    And what exactly is the argument? Have Palestinians left off teaching their children that Jews murder Arab babies and drink their blood? Or have Palestinians left off their desire to drive the Israelis into the sea? Has Hezbollah or whatever the terror organization of the moment is left off their violence? Have Israel's neighbors decided they can welcome and live with them, instead of trying to annihilate them?

    If I'm Israel and they insist on rocketing me and murdering mine - can you say Yassar Arafat, or Munich? I evict them all and give them sixty days to be gone! Maybe ninety, but gone. But maybe I'm behind the times. Have the Palestinians made any substantive efforts to live peacefully with the Israelis?

    I do not question that Palestinians have a tough go at the hands of Israelis, but have they not earned it many times over? Or even can the Israelis afford to be less vigilant? It seems to me that the Palestinians have worked hard to ruin a generation of their own, and more, and it is hard to see it becoming truly peaceful until they and there Arab allies change their ways - and when will that happen!
    tim wood

    One can be pro-Israel and still acknowledge that the Palestinians have gotten, are getting, and will probably continue to get a raw deal. They are in Israel's way. Israel is strong enough to push them around. Ugly, buy that's how it works. We Americans happily don't experience the effects of America throwing throwing its weight around elsewhere in the world. That's one of the nice parts of being on top.

    How does one establish a new nation (even if it is claimed to have existed--and then vanished--a couple of thousand years previously) on already-occupied property? You displace the previous occupants, or you just sort of run over them, give them a good deal or a bad deal, but to a large extent engulf and subordinate them. People generally don't like this approach when they are on the receiving end, and they quite often resent and resist it.

    Ideally, the Palestinians would just all disappear like morning fog. They won't / can't. Where would they go? North Dakota or New Mexico (somebody else's stolen land)? There aren't any great places in the world which aren't already occupied.

    Next best for Israel would be for the Palestinians to "Shut up, go to your room, and stay there. Be quiet. Don't bother us. Don't call us--we'll call you if we need anything from you." I can understand the Israeli desire for the Palestinians to become obsequious peasants. Were I a Palestinian I would find that to be altogether impossible and outrageous to boot.

    I don't know what the future holds. I'm pro-Israel, and the establishment of the State of Israel was "business as usual"--carried out by force against unwilling recipients of imperial policy. That's how these sorts of things get done, pretty much everywhere. Yes, the Jews were were in a dire situation, and one of the countries that could have taken in many Jews, had we not been kind of anti-semitic ourselves, was the United States. We did take in some Jews, but not nearly as many as we could have. The US was never going to be a Jewish homeland, but we could have helped more of them to survive than we did.

    We can be pro-Israel without having to make a virtue out of stuffing one group down another group's throat. It will happen again, and it won't be nice. Nobody is going to like it. As global warming displaces more people, more "other people" will be unhappy that strangers are suddenly camped on their doorsteps. Imagine how enthusiastic India and Burma will be when millions of Moslem Bangladeshis are driven from their nation by rising sea water? They will end up somewhere, and nobody will be happy about it.
  • The Decline of Intelligence in Modern Humans
    They use science to do their work.L'éléphant

    Of course. I respect scientists, science, and research. The fact remains that they could not examine the subjects because they had been dead for thousands of years.

    Genetic changes may well have occurred. As far as I know (that's not too far) the means by which any given gene or set of genes determines intelligence isn't a road map.

    Here:

    A practical question comes to mind when examining this research: is everyone born with a certain intelligence level that can’t be changed? Not exactly. This is where the magnitude of the effect becomes relevant. A gene being statistically associated with intelligence does not mean it is solely responsible for how well you’ll do on an IQ test. A lot of other factors come into play, and a gene is only one.

    Which leads to a key statistic: together, these 22 genes accounted for about 5% of the differences in intelligence scores.

    So there is still a lot other stuff (to use a scientific term) contributing to intelligence aside from genes, including upbringing, lifestyle, and even technology—after all, even if a gene 100% destines you to be born with blonde hair, you can still use the amazing human invention of hair dye to turn it purple.

    On top of that, intelligence isn’t everything, and it may not even be that meaningful of a thing. Individual cognitive domains like reasoning, short-term memory, and verbal ability are more specific than an overall intelligence score, and likely have their own genetic and environmental determinants. Getting higher scores in measures of those domains (like the ones we provide) requires measurement, optimization, and healthcare, not just hoping for good DNA.
    — Cambridge Brain Science

    I'm biased towards genetics determining a lot of what we are--now--but even that is hard to prove.
  • St. Augustine & A Centipede Take a Walk
    when are we going to reject idiotic titles such asuniverseness

    Not until people stop quoting idiotic statements by Bruce Lee?