I don't see your argument. — Agustino

My argument is that your argument sucks. I'm sorry that you suffered from mental illness at one time; but I'm confident that there are shades of mental illness; and for you to assume that what worked for you will work for anyone, myself included, is incredibly naive and uncharitable.

There is no how to stopping to give a damn, just like there is no how to moving your legs. — Agustino

Horrible analogy; stop moving your legs by stopping their movement. That analogy says nothing about mental health.

And please, bringing up 10 years experience is obviously not a 100% innocent ploy. Don't placate me with histrionics.

Ok, so, expand here:

But you are missing the point of how I phrased it. — schopenhauer1

But you are missing the point of how I phrased it. And, most people know my point of view here, I would suspect after 10+ years on this and the previous forum. Though, some newer posters have probably caught the drift rather quickly. — schopenhauer1

So since I'm a mere 1-year guy, I'm not worth debating? Got it. Sorry.

In other words, you don't have a response to my argument, it looks like.

Why not wonder about the role perception plays in the way we view beauty?

I see you made an edit there which added a lot of paragraphs. I'll get to it when I can, assuming you wanted me to respond, despite the fact that I wouldn't have seen it unless I had scrolled up.

Whether life is a loaded question is something prior to me asking about it. — schopenhauer1

No, lol. If your worldview is that life is not worth living, and then you make a thread called "what do you live for everyday", then you're definitely asking a loaded question; begging the question, essentially, from your own point of view.

Don't follow. The very point is that it's all instrumental, yet we are self-aware of this. We are existential animals, not just animals that can "be" without knowing it. Thus, some animal-life, primary consciousness, non-linguistic, non-reflective state is not really an option. — schopenhauer1

What are existential animals?

Exactly by proxy.

That is what I asked for; I made a black joke about having a mental illness, you responded by saying "stop giving a damn!", I responded by asking for a detailed approach to not giving a damn, which means I asked for a detailed approach for how to deal with my mental illness.

Giving a more detailed approach for how to deal with mental illness is not the same as asking you how to move your legs, no.

What question? My "why" was rhetorical.

Why? That's what helped me for example. — Agustino

Why? Because it doesn't help me, for example.

but really, just STOP IT! — Agustino

That's where you're going astray.

Exactly... depressed people often don't find the solution because they keep searching. — Agustino

Did you catch my sarcasm, or no?

The search is part of the problem because it continues the same habit of thought that is at the origin of the depression, namely excessive rumination. — Agustino

Do you have a more detailed approach in mind that would help mentally ill people to stop "giving a damn"?

Not in my opinion, no, but an awful lot of what I suspect you rely on on, both for necessity and comfort, comes from an economy which, by design, requires that people commit to a degree of unrewarding work which may well be inescapably detrimental to their mental health. — Pseudonym

No, I totally agree. I think I misread you again.

Gee, why didn't I think of all that before now???

I don't know, that depends- is life a loaded question? — schopenhauer1

That's unrelated to whether this thread was a loaded question, and obviously a diversion.

What is your point though? Gadfly the gadfly right? Question the questioner.. Get it. Provide a response, make a positive claim about something. — schopenhauer1

My point is that this thread was a loaded question, which you know, since you started it.

the absurd feeling that can be experienced from apprehension of the constant need to put forth energy to pursue goals and actions in waking life. This feeling can make us question the whole human enterprise itself of maintaining mundane repetitive upkeep, maintaining institutions, and pursuing any action — schopenhauer1

I fully identify with that sentiment.

free time — schopenhauer1

Free as opposed to what?

Another part of the feeling of futility is the idea that there is no ultimate completion from any goal or action. It is that idea that there is nothing truly fulfilling. Time moves forward and we must make more goals and actions. — schopenhauer1

The feeling of futility is predicated on the very concept of completion, fulfillment, etc. So the nihilistic experience of moving from "the possibility of fulfillment" to "the loss of fulfillment" begins with the concept of fulfillment. Where does that concept come from? Not just social causes; look at any society other than our nihilistic twilight world, and you'll find concepts of fulfillment writ large everywhere.

As I get older, I also see the jack of all trades versus master of one dilemma. Of course it's good to keep the brain lit up as a whole, but our culture rewards specialization professionally. In private life, at least, wellroundedness is rewarded. One can relate to more types of people, etc. — dog

Aim for the wellroundedness.

I've read about your idea of instrumentality, but remind me.

And by the way, I was right, then, that this thread is basically a loaded question, right?

All I'm saying is start with Satie, not McCoy.

The economy being a higher priority than mental health, right?

No; re-read the first paragraph that you agreed with, and then the second short one that I assume you don't agree with.

By detailing how I think we don't know why we live life, I wasn't specifically agreeing with you, but rather cutting to the chase of why I think you started this thread. But, in doing that, I was tacitly agreeing with you that we mainly don't know why we live life. Then, in the second short paragraph, I was emphasizing that the fact that we don't know why we live life says nothing about the implicit question of whether life is worth living, which I know you're getting at; or, as you put it, with your assumption, whether or not we should commit suicide.

Assuming Bitter Crank is answering for Noble Dust- — schopenhauer1

He is not.

Also always wanted to play Satie's pieces. In another life perhaps. — dog

Those are very doable in this life.

I want you to answer this:

Which has nothing to say about why life should be lived, which is the implied question within your question. The recognition of the uncertainty and the insincerity are good starting points, however. — Noble Dust

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. Oh wait, that wasn't the poll.

Oh come on, you're going to go into detailed responses to others, but ignore the small second paragraph of my response you so readily agreed with? The small paragraph that goes against your views?

Huh, I must have misinterpreted the exchange, then. But I don't think JustSomeGuy was on board with the idea of theism as a mental illness, but I could be wrong. Carry on.

I think you missed this:

It seems more and more people all the time are coming to think that any idea or belief that they themselves do not hold is a mental illness or evil or _________ The near future of western civilization doesn't look to be very bright. — JustSomeGuy

Dry was not real dry, which is the way I like white wine. — T Clark

Ah yes, the beauty of German wine. Trocken is a loose term.

I guess if theism is a mental illness, then humanity as a whole has moved from a state of complete "mental illness", at the dawn of history/consciousness, whenever that might have been, to a state of..."the majority of the world is still mentally ill"....???

I'm jelly.

I'm glad you enjoyed some dry Mosel riesling, but the secret is that German riesling runs the gamut from bone dry to dessert-level sweetness, and, from a good producer, they're all world-class wines. It just takes a little bit of homework to decipher the labels.

The Mosel wine region is home to the steepest slopes with vine plantings in the world; some of the worst vineyard accidents occur there.

Please tell me you drank some Mosel riesling while you were there.

I just mean that no one really knows why they live life every day. So when confronted with the question, people just come up with platitudes; and the results are no different on TPF either.

But not the second paragraph? :P

While I was definitely popping my own corn during that thread, what I meant in response to @jamalrob is that, generally, all philosophical ideas, no matter how ridiculous, should have their chance at the table, if only to be shot down in the public square for all to see, and to learn from.

Ok, I appreciate that; we're on the same page, then.

Well, you seem to be stating two different opinions; I agree with the opinion about Banno revealing basic mistakes. If you delete crackpot threads at ground zero, then no one else will have an opportunity to witness a crackpot getting the beatdown. Seriously.