First off, F is a variable--it depends on what we're even talking about whether I'd say that it's a real property or not. — Terrapin Station
The denial has to do with (a) empirical evidence--everywhere we look, we can't find any (real) universals of the traditional sort ... — Terrapin Station
... and (b) the fact that the very idea of them is incoherent, as for one it requires real nonphysicals ... — Terrapin Station
... and even aside from that, no one will even suggest how in the world universals are supposed to work (in the sense of how it is, exactly, that particulars "participate" in them to fully instantiate them identically to other particulars). — Terrapin Station
So one change to another is necessarily continguous temporally. — Terrapin Station
If that's a judgment in aletheist-speak, I have no idea what "judgment" refers to in aletheist-speak. — Terrapin Station
The temporal "points" in question ARE contiguous. (And this is like the third or fourth time I've said this.) — Terrapin Station
When I look at the rat on my computer, I'm acquiring knowledge--that it's there, for example; that it looks like it does; that it feels as it does, etc. — Terrapin Station
The idea that something has a property that's (a) nonexistent is ridiculous. — Terrapin Station
Well, ontologically, it's strictly another way of saying that something doesn't exist. — Terrapin Station
Re being question-begging, what is the argument and conclusion you have in mind? — Terrapin Station
All I'm saying is that you could just as well represent time with a line, and different, adjacent times are thus two "points" on the line. That works just as well as saying that it's binary. — Terrapin Station
I just looked at this fake rat I have on top of my computer. — Terrapin Station
"Having no" isn't a property that things have, though. It has to be something that's present, not something that's absent. — Terrapin Station
We could just as well say that it's like a line, say, with time 1 and time 2 as contiguous "points" on the line. — Terrapin Station
I don't at all agree that we can only know universals and saying that all of our cognition involves logical/mathematical language seems especially bonkers to me. — Terrapin Station
Oaky, so a few examples: — Terrapin Station
So, just what would you suggest that a "property of particularity" obtains via? — Terrapin Station
I'm not saying that properties have something to do with the grammatical analysis of sentences. — Terrapin Station
Yeah, in my view it's x and x' (x and x-prime). — Terrapin Station
Where am I saying anything about "distinct" time? — Terrapin Station
At any rate, I'm definitely saying that time is temporally contiguous, with no gap in between. — Terrapin Station
As an actual thing, it's not the same as our logical/mathematical language. — Terrapin Station
They form a time unit for x, for one. — Terrapin Station
Is discrete time temporally contiguous, with no "gap" in between? — Terrapin Station
Logic and mathematics are languages we've invented for thinking about relations with a high degree of abstraction (abstractions being something that's purely mental). — Terrapin Station
Did you not see where I explained what properties were above? — Terrapin Station
I then cited my dictionary and provided a lengthy excerpt from it, confirming that "quality," "property," "characteristic," and "attribute" all refer to the same basic concept. I still fail to see how particularity does not qualify. You claim that matter/structures/processes (and everything else) are all particular; in other words, that is what they are "like." I am not trying to aggravate you here; I am honestly not seeing the distinction that you seem to be making.Properties are characteristics or qualities of matter/structure/process relations, what matter/structures/processes are "like" in other words. — Terrapin Station
Another is that it's a fact that there are no objective aesthetic evaluations. — Terrapin Station
It would just suggest, especially in light of my explanation above, that you don't at all understand what properties are on my view. — Terrapin Station
Facts are states of affairs. They include properties, but aren't limited to them. — Terrapin Station
I wouldn't say that it's unconnected though, and as I mentioned awhile ago re the issue of discreteness in general, I'm agnostic on it, and I don't think it matters for any of my views. — Terrapin Station
Discreteness certainly wouldn't hinge on what we are counting or can count. That's about us, not what the world is like independent of us. — Terrapin Station
Again, time ONLY obtains when we have change or motion, since that's what time is. So you can ask yourself, "Is such and such changing?" If the answer is "No," then you can know that I'd say, "There is no time (in that scenario)." — Terrapin Station
So I'm only agreeing that we can talk that way via an abstraction we perform. — Terrapin Station
If that's what you call "discrete," then sure, it's aletheist-discrete. — Terrapin Station
The answer to that is: "F is changing to not-F, or not-F is changing to F, or F is changing to not-F and then back to F" or whatever the case may be for the time that we're focusing on. — Terrapin Station
It would depend on how many changes you want to count as your time unit. — Terrapin Station
There is only time whenever x changes from F to not-F or vice-versa. What can we say about x with respect to F "during" that time? — aletheist
Suppose a universe in which there is only one thing, x, and only one property, F. "Initially," x is F, but "later," x is not-F. According to your definition, the only "time" in this universe is "when" x changes from F to not-F. — aletheist
There is only time, including the present, when the change from F to not F happens. A past would only make sense in the context of further changes. — Terrapin Station
Particularity is not a characteristic or quality of matter/structure/process relations. Particularity is merely the fact that there's nothing that's identically instantiated in numerically distinct matter/structure/process relations. — Terrapin Station
That's not to say that particularity is real. — Terrapin Station
It's an extramental fact that there is nothing identically instantiated in numerically distinct particulars. It's just not a property of matter/structure/process relations. — Terrapin Station
Sure, but it's as if we're simply talking about another topic than the traditional universals vs. particulars topic, which is what I've been talking about. — Terrapin Station
I wrote this (although I added it as an edit so maybe you didn't see it) in my second to last post above: — Terrapin Station
In reality, the idea is incoherent, as what time is in the first place is change or motion. So if we don't have change or motion, we don't have time at all. — Terrapin Station
What view, specifically, are you referring to? — Terrapin Station
everything is always - i.e., at all times - either P or not-P, where P is some particular property? — aletheist
I'm fine with that insofar as it goes. — Terrapin Station
If there are changes that are occuring, that IS the present. — Terrapin Station
I don't see any difference between the supposedly two things you're proposing. You've got P, then a change or motion, and we've got not-P. — Terrapin Station
Again, particular is the opposite of there being something that's identically instantiated in numerically distinct entities. Are we clear on that? — Terrapin Station
And another again, no one is talking about point-like "constants"--are we clear on that, too? — Terrapin Station
The present is the changes that are occurring. — Terrapin Station
Again, the present is the changes that are occurring from a particular reference "point" or situatedness. — Terrapin Station
Anyway, particularity isn't a property that things have, it's not something identical that's instantiated in multiple things. — Terrapin Station
I wouldn't say that I see properties as being anything different than the colloquial senses of those terms. — Terrapin Station
To a nominalist, there are no entries in that inventory [of everything there is] that are not particulars. — Terrapin Station
My mind knows what I will type before it is typed ... — Metaphysician Undercover
My mind has the capacity to actually produce what will be, in the future. — Metaphysician Undercover
What principle do you use to deny that I can be aware of things in the future? What principle allows you to say that being in the past is actual, but being in the future is not actual? — Metaphysician Undercover
Anyway, I wouldn't expect that any contemporary nominalist would accept the first premise. — Terrapin Station
So "knowing a general" is actually knowing a particular--namely, the particular that is the siphoning off of necessary and sufficient similar properties we require in order to call some x an F. — Terrapin Station
Why would they assert that there is something that they can't even know? — Terrapin Station
And for that matter, if you believe that you can only know universals, how in the world could you say that you can know there are any particulars? — Terrapin Station
My awareness of my sensations is an awareness of what has been, in the past, but my activities of moving my body are an awareness of what will be, in the future. — Metaphysician Undercover
It is airy fairy meaningless talk until we can at least do something as primitively quantitative as point at a Picasso and exclaim that's what I'm talking about ... Thus conception is inherently empirical. Unless an idea can be cashed out in an act of measurement, we would have to ascribe to it the dismal status of being an idea that is "not even wrong". — apokrisis
And so empiricism - for some reason much derided - is basic to philosophical thought. You can't talk intelligibly about the general if you can't successfully point to its proper instances. — apokrisis
What you can't be mistaken about is (1) your present phenomenal experience as your present phenomenal experience, and (2) your present evaluations/assessments as your present evaluations/assessments. — Terrapin Station
Is explanation anything more than increased prediction, control, and the linking of the unfamiliar to the familiar? — R-13
In short, I think analyzing the concept of explanation unveils the brute facticity of reality as a whole. — R-13
What difference in the world does a position on realism or nominalism make? — R-13
"Real" is mind-independent, extramental, or "outside of minds." — Terrapin Station
What would it be for a concept to "have every conceivable predicate"? — Terrapin Station
I agree that we look for reasons. But I think eventually crash into brute fact as we seek the most general explanation. — R-13
As I see it, we link events or objects by postulating necessary relationships. — R-13
To a nominalist, there are no entries in that inventory that are not particulars. — Terrapin Station
In other words, nominalists can believe that there are physical laws as real abstracts. — Terrapin Station
I don't recall how you're using "determinate." — Terrapin Station
