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  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Unlike others I do not claim to know his intentions. The narrative does, yet has clarified nothing, for years using fallacious methods to funnel readers to their failing rags.

    You yourself had no clue about his Charlottesville statements and for some reason asked me to inform you. That’s half a decade of being misinformed on information that is public record. It explains why you tried to probe weirdly whether I too was like your cousins, who apparently are equally misinformed. Multiply that misinformation and compound it with The Narrative held by millions of others and there you have the moral panic. Those trapped within it are ruining the world.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    You can ask Trump. He says who he was referring to. I wasn’t there, so no I do not consider myself amongst them. Do you?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    The insinuation has always been that he incited an insurrection and encouraged lawless action at the capital. Of course, none of it passes the “immanent lawless action” test of real first-amendment jurisprudence. Nonetheless, he was impeached for it. And now Jack smith follows the same specious line of reasoning.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    I’m just asking why you and Jack Smith don’t think it is the same.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of bigotry, hatred, and violence. It has no place in America. And as I have said many times before, no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws; we all salute the same great flag; and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must discover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans. Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our creator, we are equal under the law, and we are equal under our constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America.

    https://time.com/4899813/donald-trump-charlottes-ville-remarks-transcript/?amp=true
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    I know nothing about your cousins but I suspect they fell victim to the same ploy and nonsense. Trump’s Charlottesville speech and comments is public record and nothing in them can back up your claims. Let’s examine them. There are entire paragraphs condemning violence and bigotry. Perhaps you fell for Biden’s lie that Trump had never once condemned racism or white supremacy. So I’m afraid you and your cousins have succumbed to the very same dirty tricks and now find yourself in the very same moral panic.



    Surely you don’t think Jim Jordan was bodyslamming people on the house floor, or that when he says Guillianni is a fighter, Rudy is handing out uppercuts to other lawyers. I wan’t to know why you and Jack Smith would conclude his other use of the term “fight” to mean more than the way he was continually using it previously through this entire speech, not to mention that the riot was well underway before he used the words Smith had quoted in his indictment.

    That entire year we were taught rioting and storming government buildings was good ethics, so much so that medical experts deemed it a public health necessity even during a pandemic lockdown. People scoffed when Trump had to be evacuated to a bunker under the whitehouse, and scorned him for taking a picture outside of the historic church that some rioters had burned down. So if some crazed Trumpers want to protest Congress, and the worthless schmucks filling that institution, I say go for it.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Contextomy refers to the quoting out of context of speech, not to the context of the environment or the moment.

    Trump uses the word “fight” numerous times in that speech. You can pick any one of them and we can try to discern whether he was being literal or figurative. Take your pick.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    The Chicago rally in March 2016. The Costa Mesa rally in April 2016. The New Mexico rally in May. The San Diego rally.

    I'm glad the hecklers were thrown out and mistreated as all censors need to be.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Which rally did Trumpsters go to and start harassing and beating the rally-goers?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Then why can you not bring up anything else but the few select words chosen for you by an opposition press?

    It’s because you’re uninformed. There is nothing wrong with that because, really, who gives a straw about political speeches? But if you want to make informed judgements on the matter one has to avoid contextomy and the one-sided story and go straight to the source for a peek.

    The examples are myriad. For instance, one of Jack Smith’s indictments abuses contextomy to an almost comical degree:

    Finally, after exhorting that “we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore,” the Defendant directed the people in front of him to head to the Capitol , suggested he was going with them, and told them to give Members of Congress the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country

    https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf

    Smith never mentions that throughout the entire speech, the phrase “fight” was used figuratively. When Trump says that Guliani or Jim Jordan are fighters, or that when he fights with the press ("I'd fight. So I'd fight, they'd fight, I'd fight, they'd fight. Pop pop"), he doesn't actually mean fisticuffs and brawling matches.

    And Smith never once mentions what Trump thought literally: "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

    It's comical and embarrassing but also unjust that the Department of Justice itself is abusing this fallacy to dupe people, including grand juries, engaging in a fraud so blatant that only a useful idiot would be capable of believing in it.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    I was glad for the rhetoric because rally-goers were getting beaten and berated by protesters, rioters, and Clinton operatives paid to incite violence. I’m also glad that people started to fight back because the belligerent and menacing activity, much of which resulted in violence, is a direct violation of free speech.

    I would argue that your alarm was a direct result of two tricks of propaganda. One, contextomy. Two, the one-sided story. You never mention mobs descending on these rallies or protesters evoking their heckler vetoes inside of them. You only mention a concern for the exact words chosen for you by a press who explicitly endorsed the opposing candidate.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Take a read of this.

    The Mug Shot Is a Warning

    Donald Trump’s booking photo was supposed to be an exercise in humility. He turned it into a threat.

    Even as Trump was held to account, then—even as he was, in theory, brought low—he was elevated. Last night, as so many times before, viewers’ gazes were directed Trump-ward. Medusa’s curse is also the curse of anyone in her path: Whatever the consequences, she compels us to look.

    In the process, though, the event that should have been a show of accountability for Trump became an act of concession to him. The typical mug shot, usually taken after the subject’s unexpected arrest, bestows its power on the people on the other end of the camera. The alleged criminal, in it, tends to be disheveled, displaced, small. But Trump, trailed by the news cameras that confer his ubiquity, found a way to turn the moment’s historical meaning—a former president, mug-shotted—into one more opportunity for brand building. He might have smiled, as some of his alleged co-conspirators did, making light of his legal jeopardy. He might have assumed an expression of indignation, the better to channel one of his preferred personas: the innocent man, victimized.

    But he did neither. Instead, he looks straight at the viewer, seemingly incandescent with rage, taking the advice he has reportedly given to others: Perform your anger. Turn it into your script. Make it into your threat. His menacing glare gives a similar stage direction to the people who follow him and do his bidding—both in spite of his disrespect for democratic processes and because of it.

    I’ve always stuck by the theory that we’re in a moral panic and Trump is a folk devil. Not much else explains what others have called TDS. This article only solidifies it for me, the way it weaves a little narrative that confirms the author’s own fears and anxieties, all divined from a mugshot and nowhere else. Like how the once host of The Apprentice is a criminal mastermind, a Russian spy, the fascist barbarian at the gates, will melt earth in nuclear war, and can incite insurrection and lawlessness with his magical tweets, eroding the foundations of Democracy™—each one rings as hollow as the last. But these conspiracy theories justify, or are used to disguise, the fascism they’ve adopted in order to combat both Trump’s rise and their own decline in credibility and power. The persecution of one’s political opponents, the criminalization of contesting an election and political speech, is justified because, well, look at his mugshot.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Fair enough, though I think dismissing the burden of proof is a bad idea when it comes to making claims, especially one’s that involve accusations against human beings.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    So you do not believe the burden of proof should lie with an accuser?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    I meant to say the burden of proof lies with the prosecution, or anyone who makes accusations against others. Those who presume innocence should be everyone else. But apparently it’s different according to some degree of statism or other. It applies only to the state, juries, judges, courts. Anyone else it does not nor ought not apply.

    Does that makes sense?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    I bought an official space force hat for $25 back in 2018 or something and sold it for around $250 last year.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    The Trump campaign is already selling merch of his mugshot. It will go down as one of the most famous shots in American history. I’m buying for posterity.

    https://nypost.com/2023/08/24/trump-already-selling-merch-featuring-his-mug-shot/amp/
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    One standard that applies to those who prosecute in courts, but to no one else. Only they should presume innocence. Only they require the burden of proof.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    The presumption of innocence means he has the right to defend himself against the charges in a court of law. That is exactly what is happening.

    That means you hold it true of some men and not others. Two sets of standards.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    The presumption of innocence is either a basic human right or it is not. You either believe in it or you don’t. Anyone who says Trump should prove his innocence believes one and not the other, and reveals why we ought to have such rights in the first place: to protect the innocent from people like them.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Much talk of Trump “proving his innocence” in a system where innocence is assumed, or ought to be, at least if due process and fundamental human rights are any concern. These and other inclinations indicate that the inquisitorial authoritarianism rests solely in the hands of his haters.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    According to the defense they were given too much data in discovery that there is no chance they could go through it in time. But it might be for the same reason Biden’s DOJ and their special prosecutor waited until election year to start their trials: politics.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Suggesting? I was asking a question.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Changing laws is cosmetic and minor, according to praxis.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Think for yourself for a second. Do you think changing a law is cosmetic and minor?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    I’m not sure they were changing election laws in the lead up to an election out of the goodness of their hearts.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Would you agree that lockdowns were suppressing votes, then?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Why alter election laws in the first place?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Changes to election laws—laws that were not there before are now in effect. There were hundreds of them a cross numerous states. I don’t know how to make it more clear.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Yeah, I figured that one would irritate you. Must be frustrating times for the Trump cult.

    Sorry for piling on. But it’s just so hilarious.

    I welcome it. The more emojis I get from you the better. It's all on record.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    How is it a fundamental change? I've been voting by mail for years. It's claimed that Trump votes by mail.

    Changes, plural.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    It just so happened to favor one candidate, one party, some people, some states, at the expense of the rest.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Well, the hyperbole of "countless" efforts aside, it appears that his efforts were designed to suppress the votes of Democrats. He votes by mail himself, btw.

    How does one suppress votes by attempting to block fundamental changes to election laws?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    We already know you can't write, but you sure can pad it with other people's ideas.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    that sounds less like someone cares about election integrity and more like someone is upset they lost. All that happened AFTER he lost, right? Not before?

    It was before, as well. They were trying to block the efforts to make fundamental changes to how elections were run, all of which was occurring under the noses of everyday Americans.