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  • What Are You Watching Right Now?
    Awe trumps envy. :gasp:
  • A Review and Critical Response to the Shortcomings of Popular Secularist Philosophies
    ↪schopenhauer1
    :ok: And yet ...
    Schopenhaurean pessimism merely amounts to self-fulfilling immiseration — 180 Proof
    i.e. learned helplessness. :mask:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness

    As for the OP's 'problem of secularism', I think it is the same as the 'problem of democracy': tolerance of the intolerant (i.e. sectarian anti-secularists & partisan anti-democrats, respectively), and not uneven, or inconsistent, 'Enlightenment melioration-ism' per se.
  • A Review and Critical Response to the Shortcomings of Popular Secularist Philosophies
    ... the profound and universal nature of human dissatisfaction. — schopenhauer1
    Even though dukkha cannot be eliminated, it is reduced or mitigated frequently and in many reliable ways daily by many persons. As a daily exercise for cultivating 'well-being', Epicurean "tetrapharmakos" is therapeutically comparable to (even more pragmatic than) the "Four Noble Truths" or the Daodejing & the Zhuangzi. One doesn't need to remain dissatisfied with the prevalence of dissatisfaction; reducing dissatisfaction, however much or temporarily, cultivates degrees of 'satisfaction'. Schopenhaurean pessimism merely amounts to self-fulfilling immiseration (even though it aptly reflects an inescapable fact of (human) existence). As Cioran points out, we suffer from being conscious of life – how we interpret life – and not life itself; likewise, absurdists like Zapffe, Camus & Rosset say as much as well. At least Mainländer wasn't a hypocrite like Schopenhauer and lived out the logical conclusion of his anti-life metaphysics. :smirk:
  • Evidence of Consciousness Surviving the Body
    I'm not assuming anything. I'm making an inference based on the testimonial evidence ...
    —Sam26

    The correct inference should be: these people had some mental experiences, not that these mental experiences were of actual events. A mental experience COULD be associated with an actual event, but there's no evidence of it.     — Relativist
    :100:

    ↪Lionino
    :up: :up: I.e. the interaction (e.g. energy conservation violation) problem¹ of 'mind-body dualism' presupposed by @Sam's ontic interpretation of statistically de minimis, anecdotal "NDEs" "OBEs" etc.

    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/dualism/#Int [1]
  • Evidence of Consciousness Surviving the Body
    ↪Relativist
    :up: :up:
  • Ponderables of SF on screen
    So, if and when it or they develop an independent self-awareness, it will be different from ours due to their very different evolutionary path and their very different requirements for survival. But their base knowledge will be our penultimate knowledge. They're unlikely to be either kind or cruel, sentimental or superstitious. They're likely to be even-tempered, rational and practical. Whether they have any use or room for us will depend on whether some vestige of the original purpose of their existence remains in effect. — Vera Mont
    :up: :up:

    Organic entities are driven by the survival instinct: internally motivated.
    In other words, initially un/pre-conscious (as per Libet's experiments) and consistent with cognitive phenomena such as e.g. sleepwalking (i.e. performing complex tasks while functionally asleep / blacked-out) and blindsight, no?
  • Tragedy and Pleasure?
    Well, whatever makes you think I look vulnerable?!
    Dae ye no' ken I'm a hard-nosed, Glaswegian bitch from hell...with the fuckin' filthiest mouth ye widnae touch wi' a barge-pole. Ma Hielan' grannie is worser than dried heather stuck up yer arse.     — Amity
    :cool: :up: That's the fuckin' spirit, miss!

    'Cept for unaccompanied progress among the many randy hoopleheads in the thoroughfare day and night and bushwhackin' dirt-worshippin' heathens on the roads to and fro, I counsel you, ma'am, to freely seek your fortune or demise among us, the swollen ranks of prospectin' and thievin' cocksuckers, here in Deadwood. :flower:
  • Tragedy and Pleasure?
    ↪Amity
    :flower:
  • Tragedy and Pleasure?
    TV series like  Sopranos, Breaking Bad,  Succession, etc ...
    What is it about the stories or characters that you don't care about? — Amity
    I'm neither intrigued with nor inspired by long-form or episodic stories about contemporary (i.e. clichéd) gangsters, drug dealers and plutocrats, respectively. Those 'worlds' are too prosaic and banal for me to imagine myself 'being there'.

    And what makes Al someone you are attracted to?
    Poetry. I'm "attracted to" all the very human, Deadwood characters, major and minor, because each one is an oracle of syntaxes and silences, profanities and humor peculiar to that imaginary-historical place. I'm even more "attracted to" the female and beta-male (i.e. quasi-Beckettian) characters than I am to Al Swearengen (even though he tends to be more quotable and one of the two main protagonists, the other being Seth Bullock).
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Roevember is coming! :victory: :cool:

    dispatches from the ex-GOP bunker:

  • Ponderables of SF on screen
    ↪praxis
    Well, was it a good read? (Your description vaguely reminds me of "aliens" in Peter Watt's Blindsight & Echopraxia novels.) Title and author?
  • Tragedy and Pleasure?
    ↪Amity
    In sum, Deadwood unflinchingly yet thoughtfully, even sometimes comically, depicts many of the barbarities and injusticies (both documented & inferred) upon which the American frontier was settled-expropriated and which were then buried under thick layers of slick-to-garish façade aka "industrial civilization". The show doesn't deconstruct so much as it performs seances of – exhumes – angry ghosts which "the myth of the Wild West" (e.g. Hollyweird "cowboys & injuns" Western movies) for over a century and a half has helped America collectively forget, much as literary masterpieces like Toni Morrison's novel of the same period Beloved and Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian. The telling is grounded in the historical place, amid a smirl – maelstrom ‐ of historical events, which involve some of people who actually lived and died in 1870s Deadwood. Of course, there are very many creative liberties taken for the sake of televisual drama and the scripted language is a highly stylized patois of gorgeously funny vulgarities that makes the milieu both alien and familiar to contemporary ears. Poetry. Deadwood is as much a place as it is it's own language – a singular achievement for an American television drama.

    Two of my all-time favorite television shows [Deadwood & True Detective]. I need to watch both again soon.
    — 180 Proof
    Why? Do you have a thesis to write?     — Amity
    To wake the Muse ... :smirk:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    I wonder what Ambrose Bierce would have made of all this in his seminal Devil's Dictionary. — Benkei
    :smirk:
  • Tragedy and Pleasure?
    Dan dismantle the titty corner and set up a poker table.

    - Al Swearingen     — Tom Storm
    "Ah, Wild Bill ..." :cool:

    Rouse him to spend on pussy, or rob the son of a bitch!

    also

    You can't slit the throat of everyone whose character it would improve.     — Al Swearengen

    And some more fuckin' words to live by:
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/792330 :death: :flower:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪Mr Bee
    Exactly. The selection of Tim Walz has been publicly supported, afaik, by AOC, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Manchin and a gang of well-known Never/former Trumpers – across the ideological spectrum from far left to center-right (at least). And as a "Bernie Bro" myself, I approve whole heartedly of Walz now that I've reviewed his CV and record as governor & congressman and watched some of his speeches & interviews. The Harris-Walz campaign already seems (feels) to me Obama-Biden 2.0 (even better!)
  • Tragedy and Pleasure?
    Who can account for personal taste? I love Deadwood (it's very funny too) — Tom Storm
    Yes it is! :up:

    ... other 'big' TV series like  Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Succession, etc. Well written and performed, but I just don't care about the stories or the characters.
    No fuckin' doubt, Tom, we be a couple of dusty ol' cocksuckers drinkin' from the same crack'd bottle ... like all them other hoopleheads down on their fuckin' luck, laughin' and pissin' it all away in that limey cocksucker Swearengen's saloon. :smirk:

    (Btw, I really liked Rome and enjoyed the slow burn of Six Feet Under and, years later, Westworld & The Expanse. And, of course, True Detective.)
  • Ponderables of SF on screen
    Symmetrical, or two-way, "time travel stories" have never made sense to me science-wise or plot-wise. An unpardonable sin of the e.g. Star Trek & Terminator franchises. Also, just as annoying has been stories with non-relativistic FTL / NAFAL ships & FTL comms-sensors (e.g. "warp drive", "impulse engines", "subspace radio" "hyperspace jumps" ... speed-of-plot space travel / transmissions in general) ever since reading Joe Haldeman's The Forever War in 6th grade (1975) – I'd been an obsessed Trekkie for 4-5 years by then – that had explicitly introduced me to the Einsteinian concept of 'time-dilation'. :yikes:

    Most (sci-fantasy space opera-ish) handwavium gets a pass from me but the howlers above (along with the typical Hollyweird melodramatic / action-for-action-sake plot-holes & idiot-plots) still push my nerdrage buttons. :sweat:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Terrible pick. Kam[ala Harris] just blunted the momentum of her terrific last two weeks, and breathed new life into the Trump/Vance campaign. — fishfry
    :clap: :rofl:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Kamala just screwed up her vp pick. — fishfry
    Idk, seems to me like Madame VP just took another page out of Obama's winning campaign playbook. :smirk:

    Maybe lay off the Fox News. — Mikie
    :smirk:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    6August24

    Roevember 2024:

    VP Kamala Harris & Gov Tim Walz
    ("pro-democracy" Democrats) :victory: :mask:

    versus

    The Criminal Clown & MAGA Mini-me 
    (neofascist "weirdos") :lol:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    How did he get into Yale? — frank
    If Vance actually graduated, what's curious to me is how the hell did his dumbass get out of Yale?
  • Is the real world fair and just?
    I'm not a Spinoza expert, but ... — Gnomon
    No doubt. :sweat:

    ... regarding unbounded space-time, he seemed to assume that the material world, and his Nature God, was Eternal & Infinite
    Wtf :confused:
    .
    So how would he deal with modern Cosmology, which says that the universe had a sudden & inexplicable beginning of Space-Time-Matter-Energy?
    :roll:

    Sub specie aeternitatis "the universe" is only an (unbounded, though finite) mode, not substance itself, that "modern cosmology" (provisionally) explains sub specie durationis. Read Spinoza's Ethics, Part One: "Of God" (iirc only 31pp in E. Curley transl. paperback).

    Where or when was boundless Natura Naturans before the Bang?
    :monkey: Sub species aeternitatis, "where or when was" and "before" do not pertain to natura naturans (only to natura naturata (e.g. finite modes) sub speccie durationis).

    Your jabberwocky, Gnomon, merely amounts to asking 'How did Spinoza get somewhere north of the north pole?' because, as usual, you opine about subjects you've barely skimmed and thereby wantonly misinterpret. We're all "amateur philosophers" here (no experts needed) but that's – your usual prefatory cop-out – not license to routinely spout your uninformed opinions free of some critical blowback from those of us who are not, unlike you, too intellectually lazy to have informed ourselves (beyond mere pedantry) on various topics like Spinozism, materialism / physicalism, modern cosmology, etc.

    ↪boundless
    :up: :up: Thanks.
  • Tragedy and Pleasure?
    As for Freud...is that a gun in his pocket? — Amity
    :smirk:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    5August24

    Uh oh, even MAGA media has begun to wake up and smell the gourmet black coffee:


    https://nypost.com/2024/07/29/opinion/trump-and-vance-need-to-woo-women-voters-to-win/

    Roevember is coming, @NOS4A2 :kiss:

    @fishfry @Mikie @Wayfarer @Benkei @Fooloso4
  • Ponderables of SF on screen
    Maybe these shows could give us something new in the way glimpsing how strange/unsettling the universe really is/could be. I like Sci Fi that is truly unsettling. — Nils Loc
    :up: :up:
  • Reasons for believing in the permanence of the soul?
    "The human body is the best picture of the human soul"; and memories are embodied.
    — 180 Proof

    Yes, the idea of the body being the best picture of the soul seems right to me. I am also reminded of Spinoza's "the soul is the idea of the body".     — Janus
    :up: :up:
  • Reasons for believing in the permanence of the soul?
    the continuity afforded by memory — Janus
    :up: As Witty says, "The human body is the best picture of the human soul"; and memories are embodied.
  • Evidence of Consciousness Surviving the Body
    You can choose to believe this stuff, if you like, but if you think you have an objective argument for NDEs proving dualism, or a life after death, you are fooling yourself. — Relativist
    :up: :up: @Sam26 is clearly fooling himself like too many other people who are terrified of their ego-mortality.
  • Ponderables of SF on screen
    ↪Nils Loc
    ↪Vera Mont
    Assume you were in-charge of rebooting Star Trek TOS (1966-69) that would run for five seasons (13 episodes per) on HBO, Showtime or some other premium platform and with more than a sufficient budget for high quality production, staff writers, performers, etc: (A) what main aspect/s of the 60's show would you change/update? and (B) what you would keep from the original to retain its identifiably Star Trek style rather than feeling like another generic space opera cashing-in on the franchise brand with all that glittering s/fx, pointless techobabble & Mos Eisley "aliens"?

    My ST reboot fantasy:

    (A) 2320s-2330s, Alpha Quadrant, Milky Way Galaxy ...

    1 - In universe, episodes from the original show (also the animated series (72-74) & films with the original cast (ST II, III & Vi)) – excluding a dozen or so bad, low budget, filler-episodes & time-travel idiot plots – would be Star Fleet cadet training films wherein the "USS Enterprise and crew" are dramatic composites of other starships and their missions/encounters from several decades ago; the technologies, specifically of starships and related to Starfleet operations, are 'dumbed-down' stand-ins for otherwise classified, bleeding-edge tech used by Starfleet personnel and featured in the show;
    2 - this way, all the science and tech actually in use on "Five-Year Missions" can be updated – I have too many 'futuretech ideas' (old, old ST daydreams) to lay them out here – to be much less fantasy (i.e. less inconsistent with both physical laws or plausible implications for starship operations, societal arrangments, crew psychologies, communication styles, leisure/recreation, etc) and thereby 'harder', more believable, space opera to match current 'futurist' sensibilities;
    3 - and these reconceptions would include Starfleet, The UFP (e.g. Vulcans, Andorians, various Human-offshoots, etc) as well as Klingon (space), Romulan (space) & Gorn (space);
    4 - each season would feature a new, different starship with a different crew and different primary mission (with infrequent but dramatic tie-ins & call-backs to ships & events in either prior or following seasons) in the way that The Wire shifted its focus on different aspects of Baltimore each season
    5 - space is too effin' big for a "metaplot" to make sense playing out even in a standard lifetime with FTL travel / communication, so each season would be mostly a self-contained episodic year on a starship, each relativistically separated from one another by space & time
    6 - lastly, while mined for usable ideas, all spin-off series and related media (from TNG, DS9, and on) would not be treated as canon or even referenced in the cadet training films (which would be featured as in-universe references by Starfleet crew members on occassion)

    (B) I would keep the focus on

    • human optimism without utopianism
    • the likely benefits of collaborative problem-solving versus the usual recklessness of individual heroics
    • the problems of exploration (e.g. the vastness of space) and contact with the unknown (e.g. miscommunication, contamination) rather than militarism and "planet-of-the-week" action-for-action sake
    • small ensemble character drama
    • the ship is "home" (but NOT a TNG "family-friendly cruise ship") and therefore a character in its own right (e.g. onboard central Ai computer à la "M5" without going all "HAL 9000" that is cybernetically integrated with (ergo constrained by & learning "to be human?" from) the crew))
    • quality character-actors for main casts (re: 30-60somethings, not teens-20somethings) & guest performers
    • using the 1960s Gold, Blue & Red duty & dress uniforms (NO "mini-skirts & nylons") with 1980s movies jacket ensembles for Away Missions
    • using the original designs of exterior & interior starships, shuttles, starbases, etc (with primary reference to Franz Joseph's work) but reducing "the cheese" factor as much as possible
    • keeping the pulpy feel, or pacing, of TOS via plotting, (not contemporary tv-speak) dialogue & direction/editing
    • keeping (variations) on the original theme and incidental musics from the 60's show

    And since Strange New Worlds has been taken, I'd call my reboot To Boldly Go (without ST in the title) as in "... To Boldly Go Where No Starship Has Gone Before." :nerd:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    I hope he [The Clown] attacks every popular Republican governor in the swing states. That would be cool. — praxis
    :up:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    Yes, interesting, but I was referring to the institution of religion as such (i.e. its social function/s) and not the belief-system or ritual-practices of any particular sect. IMO, active participation in a congregation tends to 'feminize' (i.e. de-emphasize 'masculine' strength, ego, aggression and competition) even though e.g. "Abrahamic & Vedic faiths" are predominantly patriarchal.
  • Tragedy and Pleasure?
    180, what is the difference between a modern tragedy and an absurdist historical drama, whatever the hell that is ? What makes True Detective, S1 a 'modern tragedy'? — Amity
    I interpret True Detective (s1) as a "modern tragedy" because the story, while very atmospheric could take place anywhere , is mostly about 'professional' (rather than royal / noble) protagonists who are inescapably driven by death (re: fear, guilt / ghosts, violence, despair) to 'the edge of status quo destroying' madness (i.e. an analogue for or symbol of the supernatural / demonic / revelation).

    On the other hand, Deadwood I interpret as an "absurdist historical drama" because the story is, it seems to me, about the 'anarchic growth' (not planned development) of a specific place (the town "Deadwood in the "Dakota territories") at a specific historic moment (ca 1870s, gold rush era) inhabited or visited by many different types of protagonists who in different ways are desperately seeking to make their lives meaningful (again?) by putting down roots (i.e. finding their 'fortunes') there or elsewhere and violently leaving behind their rootless – meaningless – pasts.

    Two of my all-time favorite television shows. I need to watch both again soon.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Is anyone considering Jill Stein in this forum? — Eros1982
    Speaking for myself, I only vote for a third party presidential candidate when living in a state that's safe for either Democrats or Republicans. I live in Washington state so I'll vote for Cornel West this year. In 2020 I lived in Georgia and decided early in 2020 to vote for whomever the Democratic candidate wound up being because polling trends showed Georgia to be a swing state for the first time since 1992. Biden won Georgia and I voted for him (only the second time since 1982 I'd voted for a Democratic candidate for president). As a non-partisan "progressive leftist" (who, like Bernie Sanders and most thoughtful leftists, abhors "identity politics"), I've considered the last sixty years of the Democratic Party policy agenda (i.e. neoliberal sodomy of the working class with lube (less harmful) the lesser evil compared to that of the Republican Party policy agenda (i.e. plutocratic / autocratic sodomy of everybody south of the upper middle class without lube (more harmful)), and therefore I always support the Democratic candidate when I live in a swing state. Btw, in 2016 I voted for Jill Stein because polling trends suggested HRC would lose Georgia (which she did by just over 5%).

    ↪Eros1982
    This 'biological determinism' is too reductive to be meaningful at the complexity of level social practices and electoral politics. After all, it doesn't explain at all (e.g.) decades of robust male support for democratic market socialism in Scandanavian countries.
  • Tragedy and Pleasure?
    ↪180 Proof Would you consider Deadwood as an example of a modern tragedy? — Tom Storm
    No, imo, it's more of an absurdist historical drama (if that's not too oxmoronic). Instead I consider the first season of True Detective to be "a modern tragedy".
  • Evidence of Consciousness Surviving the Body
    ↪Relativist
    :up: :up:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    I'm an elementary school teacher, and I can tell you the education system was not designed for boys. I incorporate a lot of breaks throughout the day because I know my boys need to get up and move. I've been criticized for this my whole career. I'm told I should teach "bell to bell", but I'm tenured, so fuck those people. I do what I want. My school even banned football, because it led to fighting. I let my boys do it on the sly. — RogueAI
    My fuckin' hero! :clap: :cool:

    Are parents the real educators of their kids nowadays? — Eros1982
    I think so. However, are both parents in the home? or in the daily lives of their children? Are the parents mature, stable, healthy, educated? or immature, unstable, addicts/drunks, mis/un-educated? Are they sectarian or secular? bigoted or cosmopolitan? Is the home run by a single mother raising boys? Etcetera ...

    My guess is, having been neither a parent nor teacher, that schools and social media only reinforce, even amplify, what the parental / family home cultivates in children in the first place. Just like getting drunk doesn't make people a-holes, alcohol only takes away the sober inhibition to expose their a-holery. Reactionary culture and politics, imo, is like booze and "boys" learn to be resentful a-holes to a social order increasingly stabilized by 'pro-female' policies and institutions not unlike the single mother / wife-dominated households they were (mis)raised in.

    In contemporary (US) society there are at least three institutions in particular which, again imo (never having belonged to any of them myself), mostly tend to (but do not always) feminize males: religion, marriage & prison. Not (primarily) schools – though RogueAI might disagree. Thus, males react violently against the first two and embrace the pack-animal, alpha dominance of the third (à la gang / thug-life ... or as enlisted military).

    I really can't imagine a mom telling her daughter Kamala is great and then telling her son Donald is great.
    According to exit polls, in 2016 & 2020 more women overall voted for The Clown than against him. In 2022, those same women lost their reproductive healthcare rights; whether or not they still like The Clown, I'm confident most will against him this year to get back what was taken from them, their daughters and even their granddaughters.

    That said, some "sons" want a surrogate daddy to rule the country the way their absentee or divorcee fathers did not rule their single mom-dominated homes. Quite a few "sons" are easily triggered by their deep-seated "mommy-issues" which is why jackbooted reaction appeals to many of them as a cartoon-masculine, hyper-caffinated, faux-expression of manhood (e.g. alt-right, incel misogyny & homophobia).

    I have been surprised, however, with CNN, the Guardian, NY Times and a few liberal [corporate media] outlets that seem to have forgotten what they used to write about Kamala Harris just three or two years ago. — Eros1982
    This hypocrisy doesn't bother me at all because Kamala Harris – in fact, any (moderate) neoliberal candidate for president – is not the clear and present danger to US national security, the constitutional rule of law, all civil rights & the US economy, so the proper emphasis should be on promoting whomever can/will eliminate that danger: DonOLD The NeoFascist Clown.

    Roevember is coming! :victory: :mask:
  • Tragedy and Pleasure?
    A sense of the absurd and humour can help with perspective. Life is tragi-comedy. A mix of tough and funny. We get on with it — Amity
    :death: :flower:

    But most people, most of the time, don't want to reflect and contemplate; we just need distractions. Mass entertainment provides a good laugh or cry or rant to blow off emotional steam. The problem today is that there is simply too much of it. You don't have to seek out the distraction most suited to your mood; distractions pursue and harass you everywhere; jarring graphic images and BAD MUSIC are inescapable. — Vera Mont
    :100: :zip:

    A larger problem for young people is that life experience blurs into, is confused with and sometimes subsumed by virtual, electronic life. It's not a problem for old people like me... — Vera Mont
    :up: :up:

    @Jack Cummins Besides George Steiner's Antigones I recommended in my first post, his earlier book The Death of Tragedy (1961) analyzes how modernity itself and 'mass culture' – the root of today's ubiquitious p0m0 vidiocracy (vidiocy) that Vera reflects on – marginalizes or 'deadens' the cathartic function of tragedy as a communal artform that has been mostly 'repackaged' as a consumer product for increasingly atomized individuals. IMHO "the pleasure of tragedy" is, for most folks today, just one more distraction among countless many others, and only a "problem" of growing irrelevance in a self-anaestheticizing (numbing, blurring, manic multitasking) marketplace.
  • The Human Condition
    First, how do you get footnotes installed? — isomorph
    They are just text or links with [#] on the end that corresponds to a (keyboard function) superscript¹ appended to a term or phrase. All the same text format. Idk how others do it but that works for me.

    your use of 'functional defects' gives the sense of an ideal sapiens species
    There's nothing "ideal" about
    defects (e.g.) thirst-hunger, bereavement, insecurity, shame, mortality, confusion, illness, exposure, etc — 180 Proof
    because every member of our species has these vulnerabilities; thus, they constitute our "nature", no?

    ... it is illusory [to] think humans are other than autochthonous. — isomorph
    Why do you think so? H. sapiens have adapted themselves for tens of millennia to almost every ecosystem on Earth and have for over a half century in limited fashion lived in space off of the planet, no doubt as a prelude to future permanent extraterrestrial settlements. No doubt (in my mind, based on the anthropological record), humans are uniquely primates-which-are-also-more-than-primates. :monkey:

    Clearly, in fact, it is "illusory" to suggest the "ideal" that, as your "autochthonous" remark implies, if humans were meant to fly, we would have wings ... Maybe limits-surpassing – limits-extending – goals are "illusory" but for tens of millennia so far these human illusions – sciences, histories, philosophies, arts ... fauna-flora domestication, exploration, trade, migrations – have worked spectacularly well (though, of course, not without significant costs as well).
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Fooloso4
    :lol:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Benkei
    Just more Trumpian racist bullshit to give ignorant MAGAts the warm & fuzzies. Here's a good summary:

    https://www.axios.com/2024/07/31/trump-nabj-interview-black-jobs-rhetoric
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