:up:You will find no other philosophy so reviled, misunderstood, and scorned, yet still true.
— schopenhauer1
Hallmark belief of a religious cult. — Lionino
Yeah, of course, you"re making my point again: you traffic in slogans – strawmen – rather than informed, valid arguments. :smirk:Physicalism is, in slogan form, the thesis that everything is physical....
—Stanford Encylopedia of Philosophy — Wayfarer
If so, then vote against him in the most effective way based on your situation: if you live in a swing state (i.e. polling trends are within the margin of error so that there is a reasonable chance for Trump to win your state), then vote "Harris-Walz"; if, however, you live in a safe state (i.e. Trump can't either lose or win that state), then vote for a third-party candidate who most aligns with your policy preferences (e.g. I will write-in "Cornel West" here in Washington state).There’s no way I’m voting Trump — John McMannis
Your second statement does not follow from the first statement which is why physicalists do not – I do not – make such a claim. Sadly, Wayf, you're still shadowboxing with strawmen rather than making actual valid arguments.Defenders of physicalism will say:
1. The predictive [& explanatory] power and technological applications of physics are unparalleled by those of any other purported source of knowledge.
2. Therefore what physics reveals to us is all that is real. — Wayfarer
Suitable for flora but not fauna.... without pain, suffering, disease, wars, poverty or even death. — kindred
Are you paying attention to someone patient enough to spoon-feed criticisms I and others have made countless times of your non-philosophical non-arguments, @Sam26? :eyes:Where is your evidence that people's perceptions that they are real, means they are real?
Remember the sun circling around the Earth? Feeling like things are real is not the same as it actually being real. Even if a lot of people feel that it is.
The problem again, is you keep presenting information that definitely shows that NDEs are real subjective experiences, but does not have enough weight to argue that the interpretation of these subjective experiences match reality. — Philosophim
Not so "open", I hope, that your brain falls out. :smirk:I have an open mind ... — Wayfarer
:100:Well, we just disagree.
— @Sam26
It is more than that. Your claim is objectively not a strong inductive argument, and you have objectively failed to present a good and cogent argument worth considering. This is the philosophy boards, not the opinion boards. — Philosophim
Okay, so make the case – a sound argument – for this alleged "continuum" ... Once the facts of the matter are established, then we can interpret their philosophical ramifications (and, maybe, derive cogent, metaphysical conclusions). :chin:And I've long argued that if an individual life is understood as part of a continuum extending before physical birth that has consequences beyond physical death, that this can provide a framework within which the life beyond is at least conceivable. — Wayfarer
i.e. learned helplessness. :mask:Schopenhaurean pessimism merely amounts to self-fulfilling immiseration — 180 Proof
Even though dukkha cannot be eliminated, it is reduced or mitigated frequently and in many reliable ways daily by many persons. As a daily exercise for cultivating 'well-being', Epicurean "tetrapharmakos" is therapeutically comparable to (even more pragmatic than) the "Four Noble Truths" or the Daodejing & the Zhuangzi. One doesn't need to remain dissatisfied with the prevalence of dissatisfaction; reducing dissatisfaction, however much or temporarily, cultivates degrees of 'satisfaction'. Schopenhaurean pessimism merely amounts to self-fulfilling immiseration (even though it aptly reflects an inescapable fact of (human) existence). As Cioran points out, we suffer from being conscious of life – how we interpret life – and not life itself; likewise, absurdists like Zapffe, Camus & Rosset say as much as well. At least Mainländer wasn't a hypocrite like Schopenhauer and lived out the logical conclusion of his anti-life metaphysics. :smirk:... the profound and universal nature ofhumandissatisfaction. — schopenhauer1
:100:I'm not assuming anything. I'm making an inference based on the testimonial evidence ...
—Sam26
The correct inference should be: these people had some mental experiences, not that these mental experiences were of actual events. A mental experience COULD be associated with an actual event, but there's no evidence of it. — Relativist
:up: :up:So, if and when it or they develop an independent self-awareness, it will be different from ours due to their very different evolutionary path and their very different requirements for survival. But their base knowledge will be our penultimate knowledge. They're unlikely to be either kind or cruel, sentimental or superstitious. They're likely to be even-tempered, rational and practical. Whether they have any use or room for us will depend on whether some vestige of the original purpose of their existence remains in effect. — Vera Mont
In other words, initially un/pre-conscious (as per Libet's experiments) and consistent with cognitive phenomena such as e.g. sleepwalking (i.e. performing complex tasks while functionally asleep / blacked-out) and blindsight, no?Organic entities are driven by the survival instinct: internally motivated.
:cool: :up: That's the fuckin' spirit, miss!Well, whatever makes you think I look vulnerable?!
Dae ye no' ken I'm a hard-nosed, Glaswegian bitch from hell...with the fuckin' filthiest mouth ye widnae touch wi' a barge-pole. Ma Hielan' grannie is worser than dried heather stuck up yer arse. — Amity
TV series like Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Succession, etc ...
I'm neither intrigued with nor inspired by long-form or episodic stories about contemporary (i.e. clichéd) gangsters, drug dealers and plutocrats, respectively. Those 'worlds' are too prosaic and banal for me to imagine myself 'being there'.What is it about the stories or characters that you don't care about? — Amity
Poetry. I'm "attracted to" all the very human, Deadwood characters, major and minor, because each one is an oracle of syntaxes and silences, profanities and humor peculiar to that imaginary-historical place. I'm even more "attracted to" the female and beta-male (i.e. quasi-Beckettian) characters than I am to Al Swearengen (even though he tends to be more quotable and one of the two main protagonists, the other being Seth Bullock).And what makes Al someone you are attracted to?
To wake the Muse ... :smirk:Two of my all-time favorite television shows [Deadwood & True Detective]. I need to watch both again soon.
— 180 Proof
Why? Do you have a thesis to write? — Amity
:smirk:I wonder what Ambrose Bierce would have made of all this in his seminal Devil's Dictionary. — Benkei
"Ah, Wild Bill ..." :cool:Dan dismantle the titty corner and set up a poker table.
- Al Swearingen — Tom Storm
Rouse him to spend on pussy, or rob the son of a bitch!
also
You can't slit the throat of everyone whose character it would improve. — Al Swearengen
Yes it is! :up:Who can account for personal taste? I love Deadwood (it's very funny too) — Tom Storm
No fuckin' doubt, Tom, we be a couple of dusty ol' cocksuckers drinkin' from the same crack'd bottle ... like all them other hoopleheads down on their fuckin' luck, laughin' and pissin' it all away in that limey cocksucker Swearengen's saloon. :smirk:... other 'big' TV series like Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Succession, etc. Well written and performed, but I just don't care about the stories or the characters.
:clap: :rofl:Terrible pick. Kam[ala Harris] just blunted the momentum of her terrific last two weeks, and breathed new life into the Trump/Vance campaign. — fishfry
If Vance actually graduated, what's curious to me is how the hell did his dumbass get out of Yale?How did he get into Yale? — frank
No doubt. :sweat:I'm not a Spinoza expert, but ... — Gnomon
Wtf :confused:... regarding unbounded space-time, he seemed to assume that the material world, and his Nature God,wasEternal & Infinite
:roll:So how would he deal with modern Cosmology, which says that the universehad a sudden & inexplicable beginning ofSpace-Time-Matter-Energy?
:monkey: Sub species aeternitatis, "where or when was" and "before" do not pertain to natura naturans (only to natura naturata (e.g. finite modes) sub speccie durationis).Where or when was boundless Natura Naturans before the Bang?
:up: :up:Maybe these shows could give us something new in the way glimpsing how strange/unsettling the universe really is/could be. I like Sci Fi that is truly unsettling. — Nils Loc
:up: :up:"The human body is the best picture of the human soul"; and memories are embodied.
— 180 Proof
Yes, the idea of the body being the best picture of the soul seems right to me. I am also reminded of Spinoza's "the soul is the idea of the body". — Janus
:up: As Witty says, "The human body is the best picture of the human soul"; and memories are embodied.the continuity afforded by memory — Janus
:up: :up: @Sam26 is clearly fooling himself like too many other people who are terrified of their ego-mortality.You can choose to believe this stuff, if you like, but if you think you have an objective argument for NDEs proving dualism, or a life after death, you are fooling yourself. — Relativist
:up:I hope he [The Clown] attacks every popular Republican governor in the swing states. That would be cool. — praxis
