Re: the Pauline "Christ" myth (i.e. conspiracy theory) conjured together by committee in Nicea during the 4th century CE reign of Constantine the Great from the diverse strands of hand-me-down hearsay gossip about 'an itinerant, Aramaic-speaking, wonder-worker who preached mostly to (& for) oppressed, poor, illiterate masses' in and around Galilee in Roman occupied Judea during the 1st century CE reign of Tiberius and who was named "Yeshua" (Iesus in Latin) ...Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. — Ephesians 6:5
The answer depends on the argument. I find the OP's argument is illogical (unpersuasive).Is atheism illogical? — Scarecow
Easily. Simply put – Deism posits a separate X & Y: 'the uncreated creator deity' and its 'created world(s)/universe(s)' in which the latter is temporal and the former eternal (i.e. causa sui). However, my "claim" is acosmist (Spinoza) and/or atomist (Epicurus), therefore, in either case, not deistic.If you say X is eternal and X is all there is and from X all new combinations and variations arise, how do you parse out your claims from the deist's? — Hanover
This corresponds to 'no edges' (in space). If existence (i.e. everything that exists) is the effect, then its cause (i.e. origin) is non-existence (i.e. nothing-ness that is also the absence of any conditions for any possibility of existence) – which is nonsense, no?I also wonder about the possibility of 'no origins' ... — Jack Cummins
Mostly, I think, we are deflating – deemphasizing – rather than "discarding the aesthetic/metaphysical".So what is leftover when discarding the aesthetic/metaphysical? — schopenhauer1
Intellectual desire.What is this impulse in philosophy for an aesthetic view?
It doesn't matter except to a subject who adopts an "aesthetic view".What does it matter if the aesthetic view exists?
Sensibility.Why are some people drawn to it and some not?
:100: Typical tactic of the oppressor (and their apologists) to blame the oppressed for mirroring their oppression. Yeah, if only the jackboot was on the other's throat ...Responsibility sticks to power. I rather suspect anti-Israel sentiment, and the relative downplaying of Hamas's nastiness (at least in this thread - it's not the case in most the media I've come across) has to do with the fact that Israel can, and indeed is, killing a great many people and destroying all the buildings and infrastructure, and Hamas is not. If the boot were on the other foot, I rather suspect we'd all be slagging off Hamas. But each cunt has its day, as someone famous might have said, and today it's Israel who is the cunt. — bert1
Suppose there was no "origin"? Suppose, as Spinoza reasons, existence is eternal (and merely reconfigures itself every tens of billions years (à la Epicurus ... or R. Penrose))? I'm partial to as parsimonious a metaphysics as can be conceived.I don't think anything truly resolves the question of the origin of our existence. — Hanover
:up:Anyway, done with genocide apologists. — Mikie
And "personal preference and culture" are grounded in – are expressions of – being natural creatures inseparable from non-human nature, no?Personal preference and culture seem to be the source of our ethics. — Tom Storm
Okay.I don't know if the science of descriptively moral behaviors (the Science of Morality) will help with ethics. — Mark S
You have not providedI fear that ethicists will not recognize its usefulness.
Of course not. Why assume morality requires any "foundation" at all?Does this science provide a foundation for morality? — Mark S
Ditto. :up:I regard this whole endeavor as a fruitless dead end. — Fooloso4
Unironically, however, you zionists are wanna-be Roman provincial occupiers entertaining yourselves with mass-crucifixions – "The only good Palestinian is a dead Palestinian!" – your apparent raison d'etre since Auschwitz. :vomit:↪180 Proof Did you know that Jesus was a Palestinian? — Moses
:smirk:↪NOS4A2, the Clown isn't anti-state. Just pro-Clown-state. — jorndoe
If so, then how do you know that your "science of morality" can help anyone actually do ethics?I am not trying to do ethics. — Mark S
:cool: :up:For me, as a nihilist, I find the idea that there is no transcendent meaning rather joyous and exciting and one full of possibilities. I am unencumbered by dogma and doctrine and need not concern myself with following any preordained path. — Tom Storm
I don't know what that is.Do you have a conclusive argument justifying an imperative moral system? — Mark S
You have not proposed any moral prescriptions, so I'm not sure what you're asking. And I've previously stated my position with respect to your so-called "science of morality":If not, what moral guidance would you suggest as superior to what I propose here?
I didn't claim or imply that it did. You make it an empty phrase, Mark, by confessing you do not know what "our ultimate moral goals" are and yet propose that a "science of morality" can describe conditions whivh determine them. This kind of jugglery is of no use to moral philosophy.In no way does the science of morality (as the study of what is and has been descriptively moral) make our ultimate moral goals an empty phrase — Mark S
:roll: Tell that to the non-Ashkenazim of color (Mizrani Jews, Sephardic Jews, Ethopian Jews, Indian Jews) in Israel who are racially discriminated against and treated as second-class Israelis.Jews are one family. — BitconnectCarlos
How do you know this? (Of course you don't.) Sounds to me like the "happy slaves" trope of white supremacist propaganda. 'Uncle Toms' (e.g. Clarence Thomas) were/are not ever just "fine with their roles" ... But don't worry, Moses, I won't link you again to videos critical of Israeli oppression and atrocities – clearly, you're just fine with your role. :shade:Some blacks were fine with slavery & with their roles under the confederacy. — Moses
:fire:There is nothing threatening about opposing occupation and oppression. That is not antisemitism; you can agree with it or not. Even being anti-zionist is not antisemitic. There are hundreds of thousands, if not more, of ultra-orthodox Jews, including some who are in the Israeli government, who are anti-zionist but they are not antisemitic. They see themselves as the epitome of Jewishness and Jewish tradition.
So there is politics and there is prejudice, and if we don't make a distinction between the two, then what we are actually doing is enforcing a kind of silence over the policies that have been conducted by the Israeli government for a long time and that have ultimately culminated now in the utter destruction of Gaza. — Omer Bartov, Israeli-American Holocaust scholar
Your willful ignorance or disinformation is pathetic, BC, especially since many of the protestors are Jewish students. :shade:... There's been no strong response to these campuses protests which involve vandalism (and apparently now hostage taking) and protestors barring Jewish students from campusin scenes reminiscent of the 1930s in Europe. — BitconnectCarlos
It's never been a mystery to me – formerly a 7 year black resident of the "ruby red" deep south following 13 years in the once "bright red" gun-crazed, desert southwest US – that MAGA (MakeWhat I can't figure out is, what Trump voters think they're voting for. — Wayfarer
