:up:Revolutionary Jews From Spinoza to Marx: The Fight for A Secular World of Universal and Equal Rights by Jonathan Israel — Maw
A post from yesterday ...I am surprised no one has started a thread on this — Manuel
He just died. Surprised there was no mention here.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/19/books/daniel-dennett-dead.html
RIP — fishfry
Ergo ... :death: :flower:No more 'resting in peace' than there would be for cars cut up for scrap. — Wayfarer
One of the surprising discoveries of modern psychology is how easy it is to be ignorant of your own ignorance.
Like many other natural wonders, the human mind is something of a bag of tricks, cobbled together over the eons by the foresightless process of evolution by natural selection.
Philosophy is to science what pigeons are to statues.
There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion.
The task of the mind is to produce future, as the poet Paul Valéry once put it. A mind is fundamentally an anticipator, an expectation-generator. It mines the present for clues, which it refines with the help of the materials it has saved from the past, turning them into anticipations of the future. And then it acts, rationally, on the basis of those hard-won anticipations.
The mind is the effect, not the cause. — Daniel Dennett, d. 2024
Of course you would ... just like any other deluded holocaust denier.I'd wager less than 10k civilians killed. — BitconnectCarlos
like you, BitC, et al (re: Netanyahu's 'mass murdering + mass starvation strategy for settlers lebensraum' regime).open supporters of terrorist groups — BitconnectCarlos
:roll: C'mon, dude, for fuck's sake. Atheism =/= nihilism. Materialism =/= nihilism. Anti-zionism (i.e. anti-greater israel fascism) =/= nihilism. Anti-oppressors =/= nihilism. Anti-Netanyahu's regime =/= nihilism.You're an atheistic materialist. No? The universe has no real meaning/value save what we choose to impose? — BitconnectCarlos
:up:I am a moralrealist[naturalist] who disagrees with both theses — Leontiskos
I don't think these statements make sense or are useful (re: if "all" x = y, then ~x = y).Thesis 1 and thesis 2 represent two categorical claims:
All human acts are moral acts
All interpersonal acts are justice acts
In the metaethical framework of moral naturalism, I think "the moral sphere" consists of natural creatures (i.e. any sentient species) which can suffer from – fears of – arbitrary harm (or injustice), especially, though not exclusively, moral agents who are also moral patients.What is the breadth of the moral sphere?
In the normative framework of negative utilitarianism, I think only judgments/conduct which (actively or passively) (a) prevents or reduces harm or (b) inflicts or increases harm are moral; however, those activities which are neither (a) nor (b) are non-moral (e.g. phatic, instrumental, involuntary) so that most "human acts", in fact, are non-moral.Some human acts are not moral acts
In the applied framework of negative consequentialism, I do not think "interpersonal acts are justice acts" because "justice" pertains to impacts on individuals by institutional or group practices (i.e. policies) and not "interpersonal" – what happens between individuals.Some interpersonal acts are not justice acts
:roll: This ...What are your thoughts on self-sacrifice in this instance? — BitconnectCarlos
I do not see how "the afterlife" is a primary motivating factor. — 180 Proof
Yes. Do you? Apparently you don't understand this dispute.Do you understand the scenario? — BitconnectCarlos
"to feel" ... so you're contradicting yourself :confused:structure and function — bert1
Okay, so then what is "consciousness"?Consciousness is not structure and function. — bert1
Ergo the implication is that subjects are not conscious (or impersonal)?So, if I've understood your question properly, consciousness abstracted from any functioning system is indeed impersonal, in that sense. — bert1
This depends on the particular persons engaged that "futile" situation. I do not see how "the afterlife" is a primary motivating factorAll true. But what of self-sacrifice in an instance where, according to the social reality, it would seem completely futile? [ ... ] Do we still self-sacrifice here? — BitconnectCarlos
:up: :up:I can't subscribe to a philosophy that doesn't know what knowledge is; it would be contrary to my daily experience. — Vera Mont
Well, to begin with it seems, "the point" is to interpret questions we (still) do not know how to (definitively) answer and thereby reason towards more probative questions. Or, in other words, "the point of doing philosophy" is learning how to overcome (or, at least, mitgate) the ignorance of one's own ignorance.[W]hat is the point of doing philosophy? — Angelo Cannata
Humans will probably never know.Are there things in the physical universe that we can never find out? — Vera Mont
Both.If so, is that due to our limitations or time constraint?
Yes: planck and relativistic phenomena ...Are there things beyond our range of perception, ...
I can't imagine it.beyond our ... imagination or
Certainly (re: technical impossibilities).our ... ability to devise instruments?
How about a "God" that hides from us?Or are there things we are not meant to discover ...
Well, 'narrow AI systems' like AlphaGo neural nets play the strategic game Go in ways which are incomprehensible – black boxes – to the best human players and students of the game. I suspect in the coming decade or so we'll encounter many more 'black box solutions' – rendering our species cognitively obsolete – in disciplines automated (colonized) by AGI such as finance, engineering, computation, molecular biology, nanotech, neuroscience, chemistry, fundamental physics, ... public administration, etc.or not able to comprehend?
On the contrary, I propose that moral agents flourish to the degree effectively 'preventing and reducing harm and/or injustice' become habits. This form of moral naturalism I call aretaic disutilitarianism (i.e. agency-cultivating active opposition to both (agency-disabling) harms and injustices).It seems like you are anchoring your ethics in reducing harm, and not progressing towards flourishing. — Bob Ross
I neither claim nor imply this. How do you get that from my 'preventing or reducing disvalue'?I don't think that the negatively, intrinsically valuable (such as 'harm' that you refer to) is more valuable ... — Bob Ross
Do you remember the "red tsumani" that didn't happen in 2022? :mask:All across the country ... These are
Trump abortion bans. — Kamala Harris, VPOTUS
Yes, and thereby devaluing this life by making a "leap" into some mirage of "afterlife" (e.g. "72 virgins"). :eyes:heroism and martyrdom — BitconnectCarlos
At this point only a few of my own ... from a 2023 thread Is "good" indefineable? ...Do you have any thoughts? — Bob Ross
some varied (modern) readings:
• On the Genealogy of Morals, F. Nietzsche
• Human Nature and Conduct, J. Dewey
• The Sovereignty of Good, I. Murdoch
• Reasons and Persons, D. Parfit
• Natural Goodness, P. Foot
• Creating Capabilities, M. Nussbaum — 180 Proof
