I don't think the answer is found in a dicitionary but a history book. Liberalism and capitalism developed in tandem and share core assumption about the individual, property and greedom (that was a typo but I like it). — Benkei
:100:A pessimistic view is that capitalists need freedom to operate, so they champion liberalism because it diminishes religious and governmental interference. — frank
Assume that the physical in the state of S1 has the caus[al] power to cause the physical in the state of S2. Physical however is not aware of the passage of time.Therefore, the physical in the state of S1 cannot know the correct instant to cause the physical in the state of S2.
—MoK
These misplaced concreteness & anthropomorphic fallacies render your (latest) OP "argument" gibberish, Mok. — 180 Proof
:strong: :mask:And the essence of liberalism is to justify capitalism with the ideology of equality, individual liberty and property rights.
And not only to justify capitalism, but to justify colonialism, slavery, and class hierarchy. — Jamal
:up: :up: e.g. Demarchic-Economic Democracy (i.e. libertarian socialism) ... as you, no doubt, know.most collectivist thought wants to maximise democratic processes where they are currently barred due to the structure of liberal/capitalism. — Benkei
:smirk:On your logic, if someone goes looking for the Loch Ness Monster, then there must be a Loch Ness Monster.
Very good. — Banno
Funny thing, though, Einstein didn't see a reason for "an update of Spinoza's Deus, sive nature, perhaps because he actually studied Spinoza, unlike you, Mr Enformer-of-the-gaps, and therefore does not conflate, or confuse, metaphysics with physics as pseudo-thinkers do. Fwiw, the philosophical speculation I find most parsimonious and consistent with "modern cosmology" is pandeism¹ (not your "PanEnDeism" or panentheism or pantheism).an update of Spinoza's deus sive natura, to accommodate modern cosmology — Gnomon
Fundamental physical regularities are not legistlated "laws" that need to be "enforced" but are mathematically derived from countless, extraordinarily precise observations (measurements) of the most explanatory physical theories available (SR, GR, QFT, Standard Model, etc). The term "laws of nature" is a metaphorical shorthand that it makes no sense to attribute some hidden (occult) agency such as "the Mind" to – which only begs the question 'and whence the Mind?' leading either to an infinite regress or unwarranted, arbitrary terminus (e.g. "first cause", "unmoved mover", "intelligent designer", "creator", etc).I agree that the laws of nature are enforced by an entity called the Mind — MoK
Why?But we need a reason for the existence of the laws of nature in the first place. — A Christian Philosophy
:up: :up:The search for metaphysical causes is essentially religious in its origins, and has been a great hindrance to the advancement of human knowledge. — alan1000
When you say "lack of self-awareness", are you referring to the article's author, American readers? American writers? or ???There is an impressive lack of self-awareness in that article — Count Timothy von Icarus
And the "sufficient reason" for (every instantiation of) the "PSR" is what exactly? :chin:Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR): For every thing that exists, there is a sufficient reason/explanation/ground for its existence or occurrence. — A Christian Philosophy
:roll:Matter doesn't exist. This is all an elaborate dream. — RogueAI
:up: :up:On the one hand you are saying it's all just chemicals and yet on the other you say that these thoughts about it all being chemicals are not due to chemicals but are "logical conclusions". Do you not see that you are contradicting yourself? — Janus
:100: :fire:Translating the bullshit we have been sold in plain English, the trade unions have lost their bargaining power, the population has been taught that it is not the rich that are responsible for their misery but gays and foreigners, and that a state that supports the poor and the sick is undesirable and cost them too much. Hence taxes have gone down, real wages have gone down, and government spending on social care has gone down. This is also partly because we no longer have an Empire covering a third of the world to exploit. Those wretched foreigners again wanting to run their own lives. — unenlightened
From what perspective? At what level of analysis? Why not instead: if it's all just quarks ...? C'mon, the premise is weak, reductive nonsense.if it's all just chemicals — Darkneos
:rofl: Again, "immanent" is "equivalent to" not-immanent (i.e. "transcendent"). Good job! :clap:I think of Whitehead's actual world as equivalent to Spinoza's immanent Nature-god [ ... ]. Yet, Whitehead's logically inferreddeus sive natura[panentheism] was described as "transcendent", in the sense that any creator or programmer stands apart from its creation. — Gnomon
From across the pond over here in Kakistan¹ it looks like, iirc, a clusterfuck of knaves: the Royals, Margaret Thatcher, the Tories, Tony Blair's "New Labour" & fuckin' UKIP. Just a wild guess ... but hey I get the latest on the collapse of the UK from that singular, man-in-the-street jounalist Jonathan Pie².What went wrong?
It seems to me that "faith" in such an abstract, impersonal deity doesn't serve a religious function or even makes sense (despite theology/theodicy).I'm assuming that God [ground of Being] can’t or doesn’t act like a being in this world [contrary to accounts of "miracles" in religious scriptures / teachings], but instead provides the conditions that make action [e.g. "sin"] possible. — Tom Storm
:up:Tom Storm Count Timothy von Icarus
This is a great discussion. — T Clark
:smirk:Even our arch-atheist 180 Proof Is playing nice.
Yes, from the perspective of eternity (like e.g. Brahmanism), as I understand his thought:Spinoza is not a pantheist but a... I forget... is it an acosmist? — Tom Storm
This reminds me of Spinoza's natura naturans, Schopenhauer's World As Will, (Hindu) Brahman or the Dao – even though, in a more pragmatic sense, I prefer Democritus-Epicurus-Lucretius' swirling atomic void.What does it mean to say God is the fundamental existence or essence that underlies everything in the universe? — Tom Storm
Afaik, "sin and sexuality" belong particularly to Abrahamic forms of theism and not to most others like Mesoamerican, Aboriginal, Greco-Roman, Aegyptian, Celtic, Norse & Hindu traditions. As a concept, or category, of god/s, across all religious traditions theism seems to me to consist of only three claims:I certainly see problematic aspects of theism, especially the whole emphasis on 'sin', including original sin and sexuality. — Jack Cummins
what I mean by magic [ ... ] whatever is impossible magic [ ... ] "makes" possible — 180 Proof
As superstitions gave way to theodicy and astrology gave way to astronomy and alchemy gave way to chemistry and teleology gave way to mechanics & natural selection, magic was rationalized (i.e. domesticated, deflated) into parapsychology (or pataphysics) especially in the 19th & 20th centuries. Remember, Jack, Newton was an alchemist and Descartes postulated occult or miraculous interactions between different physical (body) and spiritual (mind) substances. Until recent centuries, magic had always been considered much more than just "perception" (such as miracles, curses, blessings, transmutations, shapechanging, exorcism, necromancy, oracles-divination, fetishes amulets & talismans, etc :sparkle: :pray:).magic is about patterns and connections, and there being more to sensory (or extrasensory) perception than Cartesian-Newtonian thinkers have acknowledged — Jack Cummins
:roll:So,↪180 Proof's2025 solution to the God problemseems to be to justignore the evidencefor Big Bang & Big Sigh (the standard model of cosmology), thenassumethat the natural world has been ticking right along for eternity. Hence, no gap to be filled, and no need for [non-explanation]super-natural "help".— Gnomon
Given that the overwhelming majority of the religious worship "the most crude" forms of theism, we atheists (or, in my case, antitheists) don't bother wasting our efforts on arguing against a "God" so devoid of distinctions by this "in-depth analysis" that no one (including theologians and philosophers) persecutes or kills or martyrs themselves in the name of ... "the ground of being".In particular, atheists often attack the most crude arguments for theism as opposed to being open to more in depth analysis. — Jack Cummins
Well, I don't believe in magic, and what I mean by magic is "God" (i.e. whatever is impossible magic=god "makes" possible :sparkle:).When someone says they don't believe in God, the reasonable next question is: "What do you mean by God?" — Tom Storm
Maybe, but not a return to earlier believers ... who are still the vast majority of God-worshippers (e.g. Abrahamic theists who believe in "miracles", etc). After all, nobody prays to "being itself" – what would be the point of that?a return to earlier thinkers — Tom Storm
You have to go back a millennia or more before the derivative logos of "God" to the ancient Hebrews, Persians, Egyptians, Greeks, etc (just in the West) for the existential mythos of "God". The Church Fathers were apologists-come-lately even in the recorded history (of histories) theist religion.... deep roots, going back to the early Church Fathers who wrote extensively about the nature of God
:100: :up:The claim “atheists live by faith too” trades on a confusion about what faith means. Atheists acknowledge basic assumptions but generally would treat these as provisional and open to revision, not sacred truths. Foundational beliefs like causality are not equivalent to teleological or theistic explanations, because they don’t posit an agent or a purpose we must subscribe to without evidence. — Tom Storm
And another strawman. :roll:↪180 Proof's ironic fairy tale of acausal (random) fluctuations as the First Cause ... — Gnomon
Planck scale pre-spacetime (vacuum) consists of random – a-causal – fluctuations (events), ergo NO 'first cause' — 180 Proof
... just as there is no edge to a sphere, no beginning of a circle (or Möbius loop) and NO 'first' random vacuum fluctuation. — 180 Proof
Yes, "a personal" objective fact like every physical or cognitive disability; therefore, suffering-focused ethics (i.e. non-reciprocally preventing and reducing disvalues) is objective to the degree it consists of normative interventions (like e.g. preventive medicine (re: biology), public health regulation (re: biochemistry) or environmental protection (re: ecology)) in matters of fact which are the afflictions, vulnerabilties & dysfunctions – fragility – specific to each living species.Suffering is [a fact] though it is a personal thing. — Darkneos
Red herring.spontaneously assembles itself — Wayfarer